this is a name that continues to pop up as a buy the dip opportunity in nuclear
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I know that big Microsoft investment early last year had many people really excited about this company, but like you said, the stock price is down and for those of our viewers who watch all of our videos, this is a name that continues to pop up as a buy the dip opportunity in nuclear and it just keeps dipping.
my next pick is going to be far on the other side of the risk spectrum
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So my next pick is going to be far on the other side of the risk spectrum. This one is highly volatile, highly risky, but it could offer more short-term potential. So, the company is Centrist Energy, ticker symbol L EU, and they're one of these companies focused in the SMR space, the small modular reactors.
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It's been a down year for this sector, but the
opportunity is very much still there. Joining us today is Curran Francis with the Fintech
Channel. Currin, so great to have you back on the show. I love talking to other YouTubers
on this channel and getting some of your own perspective on different sectors. And today,
it's all about nuclear. This has been such an interesting conversation topic the last few
months because plenty of investors were in this uh sector a lot last year when it was at its highs
and they have been hurting for months as these stocks just seem to keep going down. So what's
your take on what's happening in nuclear right now? Nuclear energy is a really interesting area
because a lot of the conversation around nuclear right now is how all these stocks are dropping.
But if you look at the sector as a whole, the fundamentals just keep getting better. If you
look at US energy demand over time, there was this report recently from the International Energy
Association which predicts that US energy demand is going to effectively double by 2030. And a lot
of that is being driven by these AI data centers. However, because it takes so long to spin up a
nuclear reactor or to bring more capacity online, we're not actually seeing a lot of these companies
making additional revenue quite yet. And so there's this big disconnect between when people
recognize the opportunity and when it actually affects the companies. And I think a lot of people
just haven't been patient enough to wait for a lot of these numbers to fall to the bottom line. And
so the fact that these stocks are getting cheaper right now to me just looks like an opportunity.
Yeah, I think that that is such a great point to look at is that even though the price action is
going down, the fundamentals are still very much still there and even growing. What do you think
was behind the highs that we saw? Was that all just about hype and kind of investor excitement
about the sector? Did they get too far above where the actual value was? I just like to talk about
why we're seeing the kind of price action we are and then we'll get into the fundamentals a little
bit more. I think so. I think some of it was these stocks getting ahead of where they really should
have been. We saw some really big contracts being signed kind of at the end of 2024. Meta signed a
multi-billion dollar contract for power for their AI data centers. Microsoft was signing some big
contracts as well. Amazon's getting big into the space. And so, kind of like a lot of things in the
AI space, money tends to just flow wherever the current attention is facing, but a lot of times it
flows before the actual numbers show up. And so, I really think that kind of the general publicity
around it got these stocks ahead of where they really should have been, but you know, in a
10 to 15 year time horizon, I think that it's probably not going to matter too much. Yeah, that
time horizon is the most important piece. And by the way, I forgot to mention, you are going
to share three of your favorite stocks in the nuclear sector. So, we're going to get into that
list in a minute. But this broader discussion, I think, is important about the sector as a whole
because many people are already holding some of these stocks in their portfolio and wondering what
to do. That time horizon is absolutely one of the biggest talking points I keep hearing about is
that the nuclear story isn't going to magically be ready and fully commercialized, you know, by
the end of the year. That the buildout time for this whole sector is still a ways off. this
is more of a long to midterm uh growth story. What kind of timeline do you see for the stocks
that we're going to talk about today? Yeah, so there's kind of different timelines for different
types of nuclear stocks. And I think that this is kind of one level below what a lot of people are
focusing on in the sector. Yes, if you're building a general nuclear reactor, the average timeline
to bring one online is somewhere between 6 and 8 years right now. It's actually quite a bit longer
in the US because the Nuclear Regulatory Committee for a long time has been pretty strict about
the standards on nuclear power. And anytime we see a disaster like we saw in Japan back in the
2000s, they just add more restrictions on top and make it harder and harder to build nuclear,
which is good. We want nuclear to be safe, but it also slows down those timelines. What we're
seeing now is the Nuclear Regulatory Committee has actually changed fundamentally what their goal
is. The goal is no longer to simply restrict and regulate nuclear power. It is also to facilitate
bringing more nuclear power online. And so that should start to accelerate these timelines in the
future. The second thing though that is helping nuclear timelines is there's new technology coming
on where you no longer have to build sort of a power plant scale nuclear reactor. They have new
technology called small modular reactors, which a lot of data centers are interested in, where
you're basically building a mini nuclear reactor that still produces power, but you're not looking
at, you know, gigawatts of energy. You might only be producing megawatts of energy. So, you're not
powering a whole city. You're just powering one data center. Yes, those are the ones that were
the darlings of the the stock market. uh late last year we saw SMR and Oaklo really skyrocket
in their price and now they've just continued to go down. Those two names in the small modular
reactor sector has maybe been hit the hardest of this downturn in the market uh in 2026. What is
your take on why we're seeing that sudden pullback in these names and not really recapturing some
of the growth those investors saw when they got into those names and also talk a little bit more
about that timeline for small modular reactors. Is it shorter than some of these big nuclear plants
or is it also longer because the technology just isn't there yet? One of the reasons those stocks
dropped more than others, I think, is they were just smaller. Smaller companies in general
tend to be more volatile. They trade up very quickly and they drop very quickly. You know, it
takes a lot more money to move a trillion dollar stock than a $5 billion stock. And so, yeah, for
anybody who's investing in that space, expect way more volatility from an SMR company than a company
that has established nuclear plants running today. But in terms of timelines, we're actually seeing
nuclear reactors, some coming online as soon as 2027 for some of the SMRs though, we're actually
seeing a lot of it focused in the early 2030s. So, 2032, 2035, that kind of timeline. So, you really
are looking at around a 10-year timeline before we really start to see the growth in this area play
out. But the issue is if you wait 10 years to invest, at that point, it's obvious to everybody.
And so, the stocks are already bid up. And so, I think that's why we saw that big runup last
year, people just got overly excited. And now that the excitement has kind of died down, this
is when I get more interested in the space. Yeah, I think that timeline is also interesting with the
the massive need and demand for energy right now. you look at all the hyperscalers and the growth of
AI that energy is needed right now. And so another concern that I've heard starting to pop up is
that these hyperscalers are going to start to look elsewhere because the timeline for nuclear is
just too long. Do you think there's any truth to that story or can there be multiple winners in the
energy story simply because there's so much demand right now? Yeah, I think that's clearly correct. I
mean, we've seen coal fired power plants that were supposed to get shut down that got brought back
online just because these companies needed energy so badly. We've seen uh nuclear energy companies
acquiring natural gas companies to kind of fill that stop gap in the meantime. So, yes, absolutely
these companies are going to take energy from wherever they can get it. But there's this really
great quote from Amazon's global energy strategy team when they were talking to their CEO and they
basically laid out exactly what their plan is with energy. In the short term, they're going to use
whatever energy is available. But the quote is, "We have strong conviction that nuclear power is
the most economical and credible path to scale carbon-f free energy to meet the next decade's
rapid capacity growth." So eventually they want to move to nuclear power, but in the meantime
they're going to stop gap it with whatever they have. Just because they use coal fired power
plants today doesn't mean they're not going to switch to nuclear in 10 years when it's available.
Yeah, I think that means we're going to see a lot of different energy related stocks, even battery
stocks, different kinds of things that are helping to supply power. Seeing some really big spikes
in the near term while they're trying to fill that gap before nuclear is built out. I know
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now and dive into that other energy source. All right, Karan, let's get to your list now of
the three nuclear energy companies that you are most interested in right now. What's the
first name on your list? So the first name in my list plays in the large nuclear reactor
category and it's Constellation Energy. So, this is actually the company I referenced earlier
that actually acquired one of the nation's largest natural gas power plant companies to try to fill
the stop gap. And the reason they're doing this is they have multi-billion dollar contracts signed
today with both Meta and Microsoft and a potential contract with Amazon on the horizon to start using
their clean energy. They're already the biggest clean energy provider in the US and they have
several nuclear projects underway. Plus, the stock price is actually down quite a bit over the past
year. So they're sitting at a PE ratio of only around 22. They look like a pretty good value.
They have really good growth in front of them and the technology makes sense as sort of a forward
strategy to pursue. So they really tick all the boxes that I'm interested in. Yeah, this is one
of those key players in the nuclear story. I know that big Microsoft investment early last year had
many people really excited about this company, but like you said, the stock price is down and for
those of our viewers who watch all of our videos, this is a name that continues to pop up as a buy
the dip opportunity in nuclear and it just keeps dipping. Um, I have a watch list that follows some
of the stocks we talk about on this channel. Uh, it's Bridget's buys watch list and I added this
to my watch list on May 5th. uh when it was down, we had somebody on who was saying this is a
really good value to buy this company. It's on a downtrend. And since then, again, just the
beginning of May, it's down 20% since then. And so, it's still on this downtrend. And I think
that the fear that some investors might have is where is the bottom here? When are we going to see
this sector turn around? And I know that's a big question, but what are your thoughts on that? I
think one of the issues is just expectations from investors. A lot of people investing in these
nuclear stocks are kind of coming over from the AI sector which for a long time was highly
softwaredriven. And the way software stocks tend to move is we figure out you know what is the
next area to grow and then the price very quickly reaches all the value there because software is
very very cheap. Nuclear energy is much more like an oil and gas company. So you have all this money
from the AI companies flowing into the space, but it's basically just turning into capital
expenditures from Constellation Energy. They're just building a bunch of power plants. That isn't
going to improve their profitability for a very, very long time. But the thing is, no matter how
low the stock price drops, those physical plants still exist. They don't need to, you know, issue
more shares in order to raise money to build. And so it's just a very different business model. And
if you're mainly used to investing in tech stocks, which to be fair is what I focus on a lot, I think
your expectations can be a little bit skewed here. The stock could absolutely drop another 20% in the
next 2 months. But if you're holding for 10 years, that shouldn't really matter. All that matters
is where it is going in the long term and are the fundamentals actually improving. For
me personally, there are some risks in this company. I mean, one big risk are the timelines.
Traditionally, it should take 6 to 8 years to build a nuclear reactor, but in the US, that
timeline has been a lot longer in the past. There was one reactor that we started building
in 1972 and I think it got completed in like 2012 or something like that. Like that's clearly
too long of a timeline, right? So, ideally, we want to find something that has a reasonable
timeline that could actually have a return. And then the other big risk here is just execution
risk. Because you have to hold this stock for such a long time to actually see a reasonable return.
There's a lot of time for someone to come in and mess things up. It's just kind of how it works for
any super long-term hold. Yeah, that is absolutely a possibility with this company. Like you said,
that the timeline of building out this massive nuclear project is a concern. I think it's good
to point out that Constellation is still making money. And I I know that you kind of said that in
our earlier discussion about a big nuclear company versus these really small companies. And that's
it. It's stable. It's already providing energy which is in huge demand right now. And so you look
at their earnings and they're doing just great on earnings. So they're making this huge investment
into building out this nuclear project, but they also have the income coming in to support what
they're building out. Does that make this company um a a less risky long-term investment for you?
looking at the fundamentals of what they already have coming in as for profitability and what that
could mean 10 years down the road once this plant that they're investing in is actually open. Yeah,
absolutely. I mean, even before the nuclear story, this is just a classic Warren Buffett old school
investor style stock, right? It brings in a ton of income. Then on top of that, the fact that they
are getting more valuable by investing capital expenditures into building up all these plants
makes me much more comfortable as the price is swinging currently. even to dividend players.
So again, one of those boring Buffett stocks, but sometimes it's great to have not only some
of those in your portfolio, but a stock like this where it's that boring stock that's steady, but
also has a growth story attached to it. So I think this is a great first pick, Grin. Let's move on
to the second company that you're talking about. And this one is definitely less of the giant
company that many people will know. Yeah. So my next pick is going to be far on the other side
of the risk spectrum. This one is highly volatile, highly risky, but it could offer more short-term
potential. So, the company is Centrist Energy, ticker symbol L EU, and they're one of
these companies focused in the SMR space, the small modular reactors. And their whole
business is basically betting that these small modular reactors are going to get off the ground
and are going to act as sort of that not immediate stop gap, but sort of middle-term stop gap while
they're still building these massive nuclear centers. and they specifically focus on the supply
chain before you actually build the reactor. So, we were talking before about companies like Ollo,
which saw a huge run up in price. This is one of the companies that would actually be a bottleneck
for a company like Ollo because they actually focus on the fuel that these reactors use. So,
interesting. In all the the nuclear stories we've done, I don't think this has made a listical video
on our channel before in the last 2 years. So, I'm glad that you were bringing it up and you
can look at the stock chart. It very much follows along with how SMR and Ollo were doing uh back in
October, November timeline of last year. So they look similar. It's clearly in the same industry.
Let's talk about that bottleneck and exactly what they provide that gives them maybe a little bit of
a moat moving forward. Are there other companies that are doing something similar to what Centress
is doing and offering for these SMR companies? Yeah. So what Centress does is they focus on uh
high assay lowenriched uranium which is H A L EU. It's where the ticker symbol comes from. And it's
basically a type of nuclear fuel which is supposed to use lower level enriched uranium. So there's
a little bit less regulation around it. And it's really what's focused on for these small modular
reactors. It's the type of fuel that they're going to rely on. And what's interesting is they are
the only US-based company that currently produces this type of fuel. All the other companies
are international. And so when it comes to nuclear power, moving nuclear materials between
countries isn't really the easiest thing to do. It's not something that's generally favored by
uh administrations. And so as we see the Nuclear Regulatory Committee start to focus on how they
can push the US industry forward, this is the type of company that could benefit from what they're
doing. And so they have a pseudo mini monopoly on the space for now. It's not to say someone else
couldn't come along and start a company as well, but they certainly have a head start. They
absolutely have a head start. But then I wonder, is it a waiting game? Is this company just
waiting for uh those larger SMR type companies to actually take off and get their products to
commercialization? Can this company do anything to move the needle until those companies are ready to
go? Yeah, I mean, we're actually starting to see this company see real revenue come in. In fact,
this latest quarter, they saw 18% year-over-year growth in revenue. They're forecasting to
grow even faster in their next quarter, which is releasing earnings next month. So, it
seems like we're kind of at the point now where they are starting to see orders come in and they
are actually starting to see real revenue. And so, that's kind of the type of small company I like
to focus on. I'm not as interested in pure story plays. I like to see a company where the numbers
are already trending in the right direction. And that's what we're starting to see right here,
which makes me very excited. So, not just a good idea, but something that's actually already
proving it's starting to work. And, uh, this is a great example of that. I want to get your
take really quick before we move on to the last name on your list of if you pay attention to what
analysts have to say at all. Because when you look at this stock, there are some really great price
targets coming in from analyst. Most recent one, a $215 price target and that just came in a couple
of days ago. We do have a downgrade here from 314 down to 264. But either way you look at it, a
$264 price target is still huge upside for any investor who would be looking to get in on this
stock right now. And I think what's interesting to me is we've continued to see this downtrend in
nuclear to the point where many retail investors are skeptical about actually getting into this
sector because it's on such a downtrend, but analysts are still bullish. What does that mean to
you? So, first off, I usually don't put a ton of stock into analysts. If you look at any study of,
you know, how analyst expectations perform versus the market, they don't outperform. You know,
it's basically just random. That being said, I do think that there is something to be said with
how anti- retail investors are on this space right now. And it's because I think there's a disconnect
between where the numbers are moving and where sentiment is moving. It's kind of like a broader
story in nuclear in general. Like for a long time, we knew nuclear energy was one of the safest
forms of energy. It actually has fewer deaths per gigawatt than coal, fewer than wind, fewer
than natural gas. The only form of energy that is safer is solar power. but we didn't build it
because there was this general fear of nuclear energy. So there was a disconnect between the
actual numbers and how people feel. And I think we're kind of seeing that with the stocks now as
well. Only the fear now is that the stocks are dropping and so people are like, "Well, I'd better
sell out of this while the actual fundamentals are improving." So it's just a bet against general
sentiment, which is a bet that I'm very happy to take. Right. And so often those bets against
sentiment absolutely pay off for retail investors. It's so common for people to wait and follow
headlines. And once all the news and the headlines and the hype is out on a certain stock or sector,
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link. But Kieran, before we move on to the last stock on your nuclear energy list, I want to talk
a little bit more about the realities of these moonshot stocks in the nuclear sector. And really,
I think most of these SMR type stocks kind of fall into this. Before we move on to your last name,
can we talk a little bit about the risks that come with this name? Yeah, absolutely. I do think one
thing that's interesting with the analyst targets is they're setting these targets at, you know,
double the current stock price. And with a company like this, I think that makes sense because the
stock price is probably either going to have a huge run up in price or it's going to go to zero.
That's the risk here, right? You're not probably going to get a nice 20% return in this stock.
It's either going to perform very well or it's going to lose a lot of money. So, personally, this
would not be sort of a core holding for me, but I think it is worth looking at some of these smaller
stocks because they do hold a lot of potential to rise relatively quickly. Yes, it's either going
to go way up or go way down. And that is so true with these high risk names. It's high risk, high
reward, but that risk is also there. So, thank you for pointing that out for this one. I also want to
add this name to my Virgin Spy watch list because I think it's a great one to follow over time to
see how it does. I think I have SMR on my watch list and it's one of the worst performing stocks
right now. So, I'm really curious to see how this stock and others in the nuclear sector are going
to look this time next year. So, we'll have to do another follow-up video then. Well, let's
move on to the last stock that you have for us today because I know this is one of your favorite
ways to invest in a sector like this. Sure. So, the third stock is going to be probably the most
boring pick, but it's the pick that I think most people interested in the space probably would
do the best with, and it's an ETF of the space, the VANC Uranium and Nuclear ETF, ticker symbol
NLR. Now, this isn't my favorite ETF in the world. The expense ratio is pretty high, but there
just aren't a ton of good ETFs in the nuclear space right now, but there are some things I like
about this. The big thing is in the nuclear space, it's hard to tell who the winners are because
like we've talked about, a lot of the numbers aren't yet showing up for these big players. And
so investing in this ETF kind of gives you a broad exposure to the nuclear industry both in the US
and internationally. And we are seeing general trends that seem to be supporting nuclear power.
Yes, there's the AI buildout. Yes, there's growing energy demand. But there's also just shifting
regulation with the Nuclear Regulatory Committee becoming much more friendly to investment into
the space and the US government even subsidizing a lot of the investment that's going here. And so if
you're a, you know, 15-year buy and hold investor, you probably don't want to worry about picking a
stock that might have execution risk or their CEO might leave or they might have a nuclear disaster
which would completely destroy the company. Instead, you can just invest broadly into the
market with an ETF like this. Yeah, I know you have several ETFs on your portfolio. If you ever
watch the fintech channel, I highly suggest it. He covers stocks so well and really talks about
the fundamentals. I know your most recent video, you talked about some ETFs, too. So, if you
haven't checked out Kieran's channel yet, make sure to do that. You can find that on the
collab link here. But, I like that you throw in a mix of both stocks and ETFs. And I want you
to explain a little bit for retail investors why it's good to own, you know, both solo stocks and
individual stocks along with some ETFs. Yeah. So, personally, when I invest in stocks, I put 15% of
my income purely into broad market ETFs that just track the market in general. And the reason
I do that is it lowers my overall risk. Like, I can leave that money there for 20 years and
not worry about it. then I can try to take bigger bets with the rest of my money and I'm not as
emotionally influenced by what the market is doing because I know I have that stable baseline. I
think it just makes me a better investor. When it comes to specific sector ETFs, one of the benefits
is it takes out the risk of any one company doing something bad. You know, if you were invested
in car companies for the last h 100red years, car companies in general have not actually seen
huge increases in their stock prices since the 1920s. It was actually a very bad area to invest.
But if you had invested in just Tesla, you would have done really well. Or if you had invested in
General Motors, you would have lost all your money like twice. So you can pull out some of the risk
by just spreading your money across an ETF, which will just give you broad exposure to an entire
industry. I think it's a really great example and I think nuclear is a great place to be looking
at that because of exactly what you just said that risk of one company having a catastrophic
incident and crashing their stock price. So I think it's a great argument here to look at an ETF
in nuclear. I do want to point out it lowers your risk but that doesn't mean there's not going to
be volatility. If you look at the chart for NLR, it is just as volatile as the rest of the nuclear
sector. This one's down over 25% in the last 3 months. And you can see there's been just as
much volatility in this ETF as with some of these other nuclear names that we've talked about
and that I've talked about with other analysts on this show before, too. So, let's talk about that
that volatility risk even in an ETF like this. So, ETFs in general are very volatile and the more
niche your ETF is, the more volatile it is. This ETF in particular, it's not my favorite because
it is so small. Their net assets is only around $4 billion. And so, you know, one big investor
moving into this, someone like, you know, a Warren Buffett or a Bill Aman would completely
change the stock price, right? It's a fairly volatile ETF and it is fairly concentrated. The
other big risk that I would point out here is if you look at the biggest holdings in this ETF, the
biggest holding is actually Constellation Energy. It's around 9% of their assets and around 5% of
their assets are in Centress Energy. So, if you're going to invest in this ETF, I personally would
not also be investing in the specific nuclear stocks because it's doubling up your exposure and
it can make it even more exposed to, you know, something happening with one of these companies.
I would probably pick either the ETF or pick one of the companies you're interested in. Always
such good advice. Thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing your take on
what is happening in the nuclear sector. I want to hear from investors on what you think
about nuclear. Are you adding to your position right now? Are you staying away until you
start to see a turnaround in the chart and the price action? Let me know your thoughts
in the comments. And if you want to look at a broader list of other nuclear stocks in this
sector, make sure to watch this video. There's a list of nine nuclear stocks from mining and
uranium to other small modular reactors as well. That is all in this video with our Jeffrey
Neil Johnson. You can watch that full interview
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