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This is the age to train them.
Shery Ahn in Tokyo. The top stories this hour.
Asian equities set for gains after a dip by years for a comeback on Wall Street.
Chipmakers rallying ahead of reporting season for tech mega caps China mounting
one of its broadest efforts in years to steady stock market traders, seeing
signs of state backed inflows as a key tech edge jumps the most since 2024, and
the yen slide is looking hard to stop as it tops 163 to the dollar for the first
time in four decades. I'm Hattie Stroud, what's in Sydney?
Take a look at the set up for trading across Asia.
As Shari mentioned, we are looking like we're going to cook up some gains here
in the Asian sessions, really largely on account of that rebounding ship makes
offsetting broader concerns that we continue to see across the geopolitics
space. President Trump playing down prospects
of talks with Iran amid now this threat in the Red sea.
The two sides exchanging strikes. Dalhousie militants in Yemen now
threatening shipping in the Red sea area as well.
So we are waiting to see the further response from Washington.
Uh, President Trump has vowed to execute that response if the Iran backed Houthis
will disrupt that waterway in the Red sea, but hasn't provided any specifics
of what that retaliation might look like.
In the meantime, though, we are seeing that tech they really driving heavily
into the start of trading here in Asia, the Nasdaq 100.
This is how we are looking at the last trade close to 2% higher.
And that's going to pass through very well to, uh, trading in South Korea in
particular, Japan also, perhaps to a lesser extent.
But take a look at Seoul Crosby Futures. That's a 4.4% higher when it comes to
that last traded picture. Uh, Sherry mentioned the yen.
And that's going to be at play, particularly as we continue to watch
that 163 handle really quite easily, slotting past that 163 level to mark a
fresh four decade low against the dollar.
Looking like that trajectory, the momentum will be pretty difficult to
stop at this point as we see that dollar strength rising along with Treasury
yields. On the backdrop of this renewed
geopolitical tension, with the U.S. and Iran pushing up oil prices as well.
Speaking of which, let's take a look at crude, as we do see crude prices broadly
edging higher. That sort of downplaying of the prospect
of any kind of near-term resolution or detente with Iran from President Trump,
the threat of further strike. This is all playing out, as you see New
York traded buy just almost half a percent at this point.
But let's take a look at the broader set up with the trading day.
Again, it should come down to the chip stocks as a major theme with that Wall
Street. Let it come back.
Bloomberg strategist Mark Cranfield joins us now from Singapore.
So we seem to be in a position where we're able to put aside some of the the
war risk for now. Yeah.
I think what would have concerned the investors would be a sudden jump in oil
prices if we'd have gone up to $100 a barrel this week in a couple of days
trading, that would have really unnerved the markets.
What we're seeing is a very gradual rise for Brent and for WTI prices.
I think investors can cope with that reasonably well.
They've seen that scenario before, and we are approaching the key parts of the
of the U.S. earnings season.
And optimism is pretty high. We've got alphabet this week.
We've got the other big tech companies to come.
And the noises that we are seeing with even some of the medium sized companies
is pretty good. People are expecting a very solid
earnings season. That will reinforce the view that the
underlying economy is doing very well. There's still very big demand for AI
products and even that even the Chinese story feeds into that as well.
Because these companies are disruptors on one level, they also need an enormous
amount of computing power as well. So they need to buy more chips.
So that story is continuing to be refilled.
And you seen a very big change in positioning this month.
There's been huge volatility across the world in equity markets, which has also
helped to clean out short term positioning.
So traders are in a better place to be able to get back into the market as this
earnings season develops. And that's exactly what you've seen
happen in the past couple of days, and helps to explain why Nasdaq has such a
strong finish yesterday. Mark.
So we have been contending with the whole tech narrative, not to mention, of
course, the Iran war. Now we're getting the latest headlines
just minutes ago from President Trump that he's now setting 100% tariffs on
generic drugs from August 2028. They will eventually be raised to 200%.
We have been sort of putting the trade war tensions in the back burner.
Now they come to the forefront again. What does that mean for the markets when
you have to digest so many different variables at this point.
Yeah. Trump is also talking about, um,
slapping 10% tariffs on everybody by the end of this week as well when some of
the others roll off. I think investors are taking it with a
pinch of salt, because they've seen so many times that these tariffs are
proposed, and then they're taken off at the last minute.
They seem to be a point of negotiation. It's an invitation for other countries
to come forward and discuss ways around it and ways to to mollify what the
president really wants. So traders are not very impressed any
more about these sound bites, these sudden noises.
You can see the market reaction is extremely small.
There may be other surprises that President Trump has in store, but for
the time being, the whole idea that tariffs are a really big deal for
financial markets, that's really last year's story.
For now, the narrative is about I. How much money can we make from it?
What are the positive consequences for markets on whether or not companies are
going to produce the stellar results which we've been seeing all year.
If you look at some of the export data coming out of Korea, again, massive
exports out of Korea. Taiwanese GDP is running at levels we
haven't seen since the 1980s. This is very encouraging for the global
story, and people are much more interested in that rather than concerns
about tariffs that may or may not happen.
And we've got to talk about the yen, right.
This is sort of just an acceleration of the same story we've been talking about
for the last few months. But I guess two angles.
How much benefit are equities traders going to get, particularly when it comes
to looking at exporters at this point? And also is intervention even at this
point going to make a difference, or is it just really an opportunity perhaps to
kind of get those shorts lined up again? Well, the Japanese authorities keep on
talking about tough measures that they are ready to do whatever it takes at any
time. And yet the action is relatively small,
so traders don't really seem to fear intervention anymore.
From the Japanese point of view, is obviously the biggest stick that they
have is the pension fund, the government pension fund known as GPF.
If they can persuade them to move money back onshore, a lot of money, they have
a couple of trillion dollars equivalent in overseas assets.
If they can move a decent chunk of that back to Japan, it would encourage other
pension funds to move money back. That would
have to come through the foreign exchange.
The yen would surely strengthen if that money flows back.
But so far there's been a lot of talk about it.
We haven't seen any clear action that they're ready to change their policy on
that. So traders are a little bit skeptical
that it can even happen. In the meantime, we've seen several
rounds of intervention. And yet dollar yen continues to climb
higher because the carry trade is very favorable.
Holding US dollars at the moment is a relatively easy decision for investors
because yields in the short term are well above 4%, and they comfortably make
up for any short term volatility, although there isn't even much of that
because it's a gradual move so far. And we know the Bank of Japan is well
behind the curve and they are in no rush to change policy.
Everything is very skewed towards the yen remaining a weak currency, and
unless they can persuade the Japanese pension funds to move large amounts of
money back home. The yen will stay undervalued and it
will be something that traders don't fear.
They don't fear intervention because the only knocks down by a couple of big
figures, and we're well away from the 155 line.
The Japanese authorities look back and they probably think they made a mistake.
They could have pushed dollar yen below 155 early this year.
They didn't. They stepped back.
And now traders can see that their downside is relatively limited.
They can just all they can see is upside.
And if you look back at the 1980s dollar yen started from around 200.
So if we're repeating the 1980s, there's a very long way to go.
Olympic strategist Mark Granville there with China in the meantime, mounting one
of its broadest efforts in the years to study its stock market after a brutal
trove of Chinese AI and chip stocks lower.
Let's bring our chief North Asia correspondent, Stephen Engle, in Hong
Kong. We haven't talked about this for quite
some time. How coordinated was this move?
And are we expecting a return to that old playbook?
Well, we'll see how sentiment holds up, right?
I mean, the big reason for this suspected national team move in a
coordinated effort between, of course, not only state backed investors and
regulators, but also insurers and asset managers and the like, whether it's
state owned enterprises pledging buybacks or actually direct intervention
and buying of ETFs that we did see, uh, they want to put a Floor.
On the sinking confidence that we saw last week.
No doubt a global selloff in chips that did finally leak into China where we saw
chip makers and of course I players getting absolutely beaten up and the
essentially the authorities. I don't want to see a lack of overall
confidence in the broader market at a time when they want to see their AI
players the up and coming ones. You know, whether it's like moonshot
with its Kimmy K3 latest model that really shook some of the or, you know,
instigated some concern in the U.S. about the high priced models in the
United States from anthropic and open AI that these lower priced models in China
are matching or coming pretty close to the capabilities.
They don't want to see these companies lose their ability to raise capital at a
time of intense competition with the United States for AI supremacy.
So what we did see, well, we're going to talk about Scott Besson in just a
minute. I want to bring up the the charts that
we saw yesterday as indicative of just the sheer scale of a fund flows into
something like the China AMC star 50 ETF.
We saw levels not seen in a long time. Uh, the tracking fund of the chip heavy
index star 50 attracted a record ¥13.8 billion.
That's 2 billion USD of inflows. So that obviously indicates there was
some coordinated state backed capital was at play.
The star 50 index, uh, gaining as you can see, that's the third one on that
chart, up about 11% after tumbling 17%, uh, last week.
Uh, also insurers uh, came to play here as a coordinated effort pledging to
boost investment. So a lot of moves at play on both Monday
and Tuesday. I don't have my crystal ball.
Whether it will happen again today and through the rest of this week.
But they're determined, no doubt, to put some confidence back into this market, a
heavily retail market, the Asia market in China.
Yeah. And Steve, you rightly mentioned this,
uh, geopolitical US-China element to it as well.
Right? We're hearing from the US Treasury
Secretary, Scott Benson, that Washington will investigate allegations that
Chinese AI models may be stealing AI intellectual property from the U.S.
this ahead of the the talks that we're expecting to, um, before the September
visit between the two leaders. What do we know?
Yeah, these are accusations that the big models in the United States, like
anthropic and OpenAI, have accused these Chinese lower cost models, open source
models, potentially of doing what's called artificial distillation.
Uh, it's in very layman's terms where open source, lower cost models, uh,
essentially learn from the larger models, uh, and that potentially could
be an avenue, uh, for the, you know, the open source, lower cost models in China.
Two. Uh, essentially in layman's terms, uh,
steal intellectual property. And that's something that Scott Besson,
speaking of Fox News, says this administration supports open source
models. What we do not support is IP theft.
So again, that is going to be a, you know, a contentious issue in talks
leading up to that summit on September 24th in Washington, D.C., at least Marco
Rubio, the Secretary of state, has confirmed that that is still on track
for Xi Jinping and Donald Trump to meet in Washington, D.C..
Reuters is also reporting that the two nations ahead of those talks in
September will have some form of talks on I,
Ryan Stephen Engle, our chief North Asia correspondent there.
And coming up, oil hitting early June highs as President Trump dismisses
prospects of immediate talks with Iran, even as mediators work to revive an
interim peace agreement. The details next.
This is Boone Bach. Take a look at what we're watching when
it comes to broader commodity markets, in particular oil.
Of course, that story continuing to edge higher.
President Trump playing down the prospect of near-term talks with Iran
while also threatening further strikes. Also dealing with the potential threat
by the Iran backed hotel in the Red sea waterway as well.
So we also see New York traded crude ticking high about 4/10 of 1%.
We've also seen that rally in oil, as well as what's going on with Treasury
yields pushing up the US dollar as well. That grind higher pretty flat at the
moment when it comes to the Bloomberg Dollar Index.
But we know the implications for the yen in particular.
Try to get that fresh four decade against the greenback.
US futures at the moment just modestly lower.
But the president is playing down the prospects of immediate talks with Iran,
both sides exchanging strikes. Concerns are also growing over threats
to shipping in the Red sea and the Strait of Hormuz.
Bloomberg senior editor Derek Bank joins us now for more.
It's interesting, Derek, the markets are kind of for now, trading this as a lower
level of tension, almost background noise to sort of the other broader tech
themes. But there's certainly no improvement
that we can see. No, there's certainly no improvement
that we've seen so far. You're talking at nearly two consecutive
weeks of nightly strikes that the US has launched on Iran, as well as Iranian
responses to U.S. positions across, uh, the Gulf.
And so there's not really a very clear way out of this at this minute, uh,
critical issues still remains. Uh, among other things, I think really
the Strait of Hormuz, whether or not that is going to be able to be fully
opened, whether or not that's going to be something that will be, uh, going
back to the situation it was in before the hostilities started, that being a
toll free international waterway. And I think that's one of the keys to
unlocking, you know, a lot of the, the, uh, other things that are at stake here.
You know, one of the things that we've seen, you know, we saw oil prices going
down and down and down, they've come up about 20%, uh, since, uh, hostilities
reignited. And now we have this whole question
about what might happen on the other side.
Now, look, you got to remember, Saudi, uh, geography is pretty simple.
On one side, uh, you've you've got this waterway that we've got in question here
that it also shares with Kuwait, with Qatar, with the United Arab Emirates,
etc.. Uh, that that has so much of that energy
flow, you know, sort of all the way through.
And that's what we've been really dealing with.
When you come across to the other side. That's the Red sea.
So not only is that the escape route, if you couldn't send something out via the
Strait of Hormuz to either take that out toward India, in Asia, or through the
Suez, out to Europe and beyond, right. Not only is that the other way for
energy, but now you're talking about containers, now you're talking about the
other sort of, uh, global shipping risk. And if that gets, uh, disrupted either
openly in the sea or is through a choke point that's between Yemen on one side
and, uh, Djibouti and Eritrea on the other side.
And so another sort of small global choke point, if that gets to be a
problem and you can't actually send things through there, then you're
talking about all of that European to Asia trade having to go round the end of
Africa. That adds cost, that adds delays.
And so this is not just another potential escalatory situation that is
developing. You are talking about potentially a
contamination into other things that have been so far mostly unaffected
because they're using a different waterway
and talking about trade. I mean, we could see even more
disruptions in supply chains given these new tariffs by President Trump just
today announcing them on generic drugs. What do we know at this point?
Well, we just saw a social media post, uh, from the president.
Uh, we just put a story out, uh, that, that I wrote that basically says what we
know at this point, which is that Donald Trump has said that in two years time,
he's going to put a 100% tariff on generic drugs imported into the United
States a year later, uh, in 2029, that would rise to a 200% tariff.
The idea there is to onshore generic drug production.
That is being half that is happening in other countries.
Now, what we've seen with this president so far in terms of tariffs, everything
else is unsaid. Let me let me be very clear.
But what we've seen so far from this president when we're talking about brand
names, is that he has been willing to do deals with producers when he's talking
about building things into the United States, having investments into the
United States. And you have seen a whole lot of brand
name drug makers from Europe and elsewhere be able to cut deals with this
white House for relief in exchange for on shoring, for plans to onshore foreign
investments to come on. Any time that I see Donald Trump doing
something that has a very late start date, uh, even as quick as one month
from now, but this is really two years from now.
You can think of it as an opening for negotiations.
And so this is a threat. And then the negotiations sort of come
after it is really now in his second term, Donald Trump's classic Art of the
deal. Derek, is this also the case when it
comes to these new proposed tariffs of at least 10% on what, some 60 trading
partners that we're all expecting by the end of this week as well.
And does this kind of play into, I guess, the urgency to push some of his,
his, you know, landmark policies before the midterms.
Those are a little bit different because those are kind of wrapped up in this
idea that when the Supreme Court got rid of Donald Trump's original Liberation
Day tariffs, the white House said that it was going to try and get those levels
back by other means. And they've gone through different
means. And so we're expecting some of that to
come up, uh, imminently. But I do think that you can kind of put
this all into this basket of what Trump has said he wants out of this, out of
this trading sort of situation. He wants tariffs on goods coming into
the United States. He he wants that is a core foreign
economic policy that he has. Now, when you're talking about some
other things that have been threatened, the the tariffs on Canada, for example,
that could be a negotiating point, albeit that one's got a 30 day ticker
going on it. Um, the sort of section two, 30 twos
that are coming up that are, that are under another legal idea.
The, the whole framework of that is really around the idea that those are a
little bit more of a legally defensible, uh, tariff structure, that there may be
a little bit more insulated from court challenges.
Of course, they probably will be challenged anyway.
Um, but that's kind of the thinking over there.
Overall, I think overarching Trump has shown that he's willing to try and do
deals, but he's also shown that there's not a situation in which he's willing to
have a zero tariff environment, kind of as a global overall.
That's just that's just entirely contrary to his economic thinking and
to, uh, candidly, some of the revenues that, that that raises.
Now, you asked about the midterm elections.
I think it goes absolutely without saying, but we should say it anyway,
that to the degree any of this is disruptive to U.S.
equities, to the extent that Donald Trump can't point to Americans
retirement accounts, say, look, they're going up, doesn't that mean the the
economy is good? If that starts to weigh on the economy,
you have seen this president, uh, be willing to pull back in those
circumstances. He is certainly somebody who is watching
and responsive to equity markets as well as especially to bond markets.
Right. I mean, he spoke so much about four one
case during his first term, the brick wall back.
Really good to have you with us. Bloomberg senior editor there.
We have more ahead on the Asia trade. This is Bloomberg. Take a look at the latest from the
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The layoffs would target Intel's data center business, which has been helping
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The company did not specify how many jobs will be affected.
Intel has cut more than 40,000 jobs from its 2022 peak headcount.
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The service will work on the subscription model, allowing customers
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the end of the term. Sherry
and Heidi take a look at live pictures from New York.
Flash flood warning stretching from Midtown Manhattan to Queens, the Bronx,
new Jersey, and Connecticut. We have already seen heavy rain, more
than four inches of rain already falling across, even in areas like LaGuardia
airport, which has instituted this ground stop at least until this evening.
So, uh, do be careful if you are up out there.
I mean, we're expecting heavy rain. We even had a tornado watch issued this
afternoon for parts of Connecticut, Delaware, new Jersey, Pennsylvania as
well. We have more ahead on the train.
This is Bloomberg. We're watching Asian stocks open today
Heidi. And really, the focus is very much on
what's happening with the chip sector. Right.
Because we saw this rebound again on the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index.
I mean, there's been a lot of volatility, to be fair, Heidi.
But the thing is that we haven't really seen those gains throughout the month.
I mean, we're still down on the month, but the Philadelphia Semiconductor
Index, this sees biggest gain in the month.
So oh what happens to all of those appears around here in Asia.
And you can see right there on the futures for Samsung in this case.
And things are pointing higher. We have also seen some news from local
media in South Korea that SK Hynix is in talks to buy Intel's Ohio chip campus,
but then Intel coming out and saying that they're committed to investing in
that campus. So we'll be watching for more details.
The fact is that there's a lot of news flow in this sector, right?
I mean, we're talking about chip makers. We have hyperscalers reporting.
We have to watch alphabet. There's so much around the eye trade.
And that's before we've even gotten to these eye talks that we're expecting
between the U.S. and China as well.
Right. This with the U.S.
Treasury secretary really talking about this need to kind of scrutinize and
investigate what this means for US intellectual property, and whether we're
seeing that in these open source models with China.
But all of this ahead of that latest meeting expected in September.
But take a look at what we're watching when it comes to these broader markets
that Shari mentioned. This is very much kind of pushing aside
some of the concerns about the U.S. and Iran, despite, of course, President
Trump really being, uh, quite non-committal when it comes to where
talks are at, if they're having sort of plans for talks at all with Iran and
increasing threats of strikes and increasing tensions now in the Red sea
as well as the Strait of Hormuz. So we are seeing crude elevated,
although not moving terribly much at the moment, 4/10 of 1%.
Uh, Japan will be an interesting one because of course, we do have all of the
moves on the yen. We'll get more on that in just a moment.
US future share at the moment. Uh, modestly lower.
Yeah, but to your point, Heidi, I mean, we do want to talk about the yen right
now, trading about that 163 to the dollar level.
I mean, when do we get here? This is a first time since 1986.
Speculators piling onto the currency's weakness.
Markets reporter Anthony Stevens will walk us through what's happening right
now. Because, Anthony, as I was saying, I
mean, I never it 163 coming so fast. But at the same time, a lot of people
saying, well, there's no choice at this point.
What can authorities do? And really, speculators even help buy
volatility or at least low volatility. Yes.
So turn to the one way direction of the fundamentals is helping to suppress
volatility. Also we have a lack of this shock
intervention. You know that the the Japanese had
promised there hasn't been much in the way of 1% 2% kind of moves.
So as a result volatility keeps dragging lower.
Volatility is historically quite low even though volatility in the one near
market starts to pick up. So what are the fundamentals.
The fundamentals are that Japan has moved from being an export powerhouse
even though it has a record current account surplus into being an FDI income
generator. So basically, Japanese companies invest
a lot abroad. They make a bunch of money abroad, and
then they reinvest those gains again back abroad.
That is why the return of capital to Japan from Japanese companies has kind
of halted. That is one structural factor.
The other one is obviously the oil crisis and Japan being an export, energy
import and exports more or less flatten out against that oil bill.
So on a structural basis, Japan has a flaw, uh, kind of, um, problem going
against it versus this kind of trade that is now building every other
currency that exports oil is starting to trade a lot better than the yen.
I mean, tell you, my characters remember what happened in 2024 when that carried
trade on. The yen just exploded and we saw that
sharp spike on the yen. Tell us a little bit more about how that
trade is making money, uh, for investors, even in other currencies
right now. Yeah.
So this time around, we do have this kind of commodity boom pushing some of
these carrier currencies. So the so the Brazilian rail, the Aussie
dollar, the Colombian peso, these are a Mexican peso.
These are kind of currencies that benefit from an export boom in
commodities. And the low volatility in the yen allows
people to stay in these trades. As a result, people are piling into
these trades to the extent that which carry trades are returning just on a per
spot basis as much as the S&P 500. That's forgetting about the carrier
altogether. This is a risk reward profile that is
very attractive. So again volatility is multiple times
less than SMP volatility. So if you're going to get the same
reward for a fraction of the risk you can see why investors are so uh rushing
into this trade. On the other hand from the pure BOJ
fundamentals nothing is expected in terms of rates for the next two
meetings. So there is a window here of complete
complacency on the market to pile in on onion shorts, especially if you're
getting paid in carry unless Japan does something on intervention.
Where does the Korean wan stand in all of this?
Because I'm surprised that we're actually stronger than that 1500 level.
And I mean, that shouldn't come as a surprise.
How do we get to 1500 in the first place?
Right. But right now we're around like 1480 or
something. Yeah.
So one of the big drivers of that, as you said, surprising weakness, was the
fact that foreigners had to trim so much Korean equity as the market got so big.
Now that dynamic has retraced somewhat as the Korean market has come off a
little bit. So foreigners have turned, if not big
net buyers, at least they've stopped selling.
And that's allowing the fundamentals of the Korean one to shine through.
Also, the block has become a little bit more strident that they are going to be
embarking on a rate hike cycle and the street is starting to line up behind
that. We also had commentary from the
government that people should be expecting a stronger one.
So in Korea, the internal dynamics are such that they want to kind of tamp down
on inflation. And there's a lot more standard
messaging around future one strength. Then in Japan where Japan is caught in
two minds whether they want yen weakness or not.
So in Korea, the message is a little bit more simple.
Even though it is a net energy importer, it looks like the chip export boom is
offsetting that. And it really does set up some Korean
one strength in Korean one uh, versus Yen cross has gone up to the top end of
its range, and it looks like it might break up.
Bloomberg mocha Report Anthony Stevens And that is despite the backdrop of
expectations of just a dollar grinding higher at along with Treasury yields and
the push higher in oil. This is a picture with oil.
As we're getting more confirmation of these hostilities between the U.S.
and Iran. The U.S.
Central Command posting on the platform saying that strikes, uh, that have begun
against Iran at 7 p.m. eastern time today, that they're
designed to degrade Iran's Strait of Hormuz ability.
Their air defenses have been activated in Tehran, according to separate
reporting, and blasts have been heard in northwestern Iran as well, according to
some of the other reporting that we're following.
We're seeing oil option positions ballooning to a record as we see this
war risk continue to flare back up. And President Trump really playing down
prospects of bilateral talks for hedge on the Asia trade.
This is Bloomberg. Will. Take a look at how U.S.
futures are trading at the moment after we had the Nasdaq 100.
Best thing in three weeks. What was interesting about that dynamic
overnight was that we saw chipmakers surging.
We're talking about the Philadelphia semiconductor indexing its biggest day
in a month. At the same time, we had the Magnificent
Seven, for example. Pretty flat alphabet Amazon, meta,
Microsoft the actually lower. I we're thinking investors really
anxious about whether all of this spending is actually paying off.
Right. And we'll see some indications of that
when we actually get those tech earnings to come.
We're going to get alphabet tests, some IBM Intel all of them this week.
Let's get more on what to watch around the tech sector.
Joining us now is Scott Kessler global sector lead for TMT at Third Bridge.
Scott great to have you with us. How important will it be for these tech
giants to prove that all of these AI CapEx is actually paying off?
And what are the metrics that you'll be watching?
Yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be a pretty critical week or two.
Um, a couple things to keep in mind. Uh, I think what we've seen is that
investors are very focused, as you alluded to, um, on CapEx spending and
the growth we indicated and expected growth in CapEx, and frankly, looking to
see how that's translated into other financial metrics, notably revenue
performance and growth. And I think investors have at this point
been satisfied if stronger CapEx spending has translated into stronger
revenue growth. But we'll see if that kind of, um,
alignment continues. And for alphabet, it's kind of a tricky
situation, right? You have the search business that could
be affected by generative AI, but at the same time you have the other side of
their business like Gemini also cloud. So how do you see that dynamic playing
out for alphabet? Yeah.
You know, it's funny. We we speak to experts all the time, um,
about these companies and about Alphabet and Google in particular.
Um, and I think one of the themes that emerges pretty regularly is that as much
as people, um, are increasingly using, um, LMS for a variety of tasks.
Um, it's not at this point, um, disrupting or displacing Google.
That might not happen for another couple of years.
And if you look frankly at the performance of the company and the
stock, it seems like there's some type of agreement that this is something off
into the future. The question is when when does that
start influencing, uh, the performance and prospects of Alphabet and Google?
But it seems like Not yet. And as you alluded to, it's not just
about whether folks are using, um, LMS. They might be using Gemini or they might
be using alternatives, but those alternatives aren't monetizing with
advertising. So it's really about the dichotomy
between users and usage and advertisers and advertising.
So it's going to take, you know, a number of quarters at this point from
what we've been told. And I think that's reasonable to
consider, especially going into earnings coming up.
Scott is interesting. The Wall Street seems to be decisively
more bearish when it comes to the software sector.
We're talking about Morgan Stanley just downgrading the likes of Adobe
Salesforce as well. Why is that?
Do you see the impact significantly different here?
You know, I don't really know what the catalyst was for kind of a revised
outlook on some of the highlighted names.
Um Adobe? Intuit?
Salesforce. Um, look, I think a lot has been going
on at and around those companies. I think it's fair to say that they're
dealing with a lot of challenges, whether it's AI, whether it's changes in
leadership. And you could probably put workday in
that category as well. Um, but the reality is that not all
software companies are the same. And one of the things we've learned in
terms of doing our work is that, look, if you're a software company serving
enterprise customers and you are providing not a nice to have solution,
but a need to have solution with an emphasis on data, long term
relationships and trust. And on top of that, you're investing a
lot of money in your own AI solutions. Um, we think those companies are
probably better positioned to kind of navigate the treacherous waters, um,
that AI has kind of put before them. And I think we need to kind of think
about software not as a monolith, but as, you know, a number of different
companies with a number of different sets of circumstances.
Just look at application software versus, say, cybersecurity software.
It's been a very, very different picture for those companies, just frankly, in
2026. The we get sort of an indication of
where customers are going from the IBM are preliminary reports that we got, I
mean, in the sense of what they're shifting towards from software to
hardware. I mean, it's fascinating, right?
Because, um, IBM, the stock is down over, uh, 25% year to date.
That's entirely due to the pre announcement that they made recently
indicating exactly what you said, that uh, customers at the end of the quarter
shifted their spending, um, from software, presumably infrastructure
oriented software to more I and II oriented hardware.
We'll see kind of what the numbers bear out.
But in saying that, they also highlighted, um, demand for, uh,
cybersecurity software. So we'll see if this is more of an IBM
specific set of circumstances or if this is going to play out, um, across not
only software but hardware as well. Hardware has been, um, dare I say, a
pretty hot area over the last couple of months because we think that it's been
kind of, uh, I don't know, a catch up when people have been focusing, um, on
semiconductors, and then they think, okay, well, what's the derivative, um,
of increasing kind of spending when it comes to AI?
Yes, you're spending on semiconductors, but you're also spending on hardware
capacity and servers and the like. So we'll see if that continues.
But, um, I think it's fair to say that not all software companies, uh, should
be painted with the same broad brush when it comes to, okay, the current and
intermediate term impact of AI. Scott Kessler, really great to get your
thoughts. Global Sector lead for TMT third Bridge.
As we get big tech earnings this week. And also do join us on Friday for the
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Sherry Japan's Nikkei is reporting that TSMC has held discussions with clients
about raising chip making prices in 2027 by as much as 10%.
Let's bring our Asia equities reporter, Winnie Souza.
Uh, what are we hearing? Yeah.
Morning Heidi. So as you just mentioned, we've learned,
um, from the local report from Nikkei that, um, TSMC, in fact, has been in
talks with, uh, its client to, um, consider that base price hike.
And they've also just finalized that this month.
Um, a raise about a raise about, um, 5 to 10% across different products from
the more advanced semiconductors to the mature ones.
And that will take effect, as you mentioned, in 2027.
Now we see this pretty much as a good news because, um, in fact, we did see
ADR is rising overnight. And our analysts from Bloomberg
Intelligence say that this will help TSMC to have a better upside when it
comes to margins, and also provide an additional source of revenue when it
comes to capturing this whole I demand volatility.
So overall, it seems to be, um, really good news for TSMC as it continues to
navigate the increased cost when it comes to manufacturing.
We're also getting an update, uh, on this story about SK Hynix, the
acquisition of Intel's Ohio chip campus. It doesn't sound like it's, uh, it's
going ahead. Yeah.
So in fact, um, we did learn from local media that, um, SK Hynix was considering
to acquire the Ohio campus, um, of Intel, but we've also just heard from
High Index that they have just denied, uh, this acquisition.
Now, this would have actually been good for SK sky next, because the Ohio campus
is in fact one of the newest campus of Intel, that they have been postponing
the, um, postponing the operations of it in the past few years because Intel has
struggled to acquire the clients, and it would serve SK Hynix in the way that it,
um, how it has been facing the pressure from the US to expand its operation
locally in the U.S. and also with higher demand when it
comes to its supplies. So this will help meet the the
expectation to expand capacity and also its goal to be able to manufacture, um,
these um, memory chips in the U.S. within the next five years.
So we'll keep it closer eye to, um, how it potentially has other plans to expand
further in the U.S. as well.
Yes. These two, they're our Bloomberg Asia
Equities reporter We have breaking news out of Japan.
We are getting the latest trade numbers. June exports rising 19.3% year on year,
which is larger than economists had expected when it comes to the imports
number 25.4% growth in the month of June, also higher than economists had
expected. Also, an acceleration of growth from the
previous month. Perhaps not surprising given that we're
getting inflated import numbers on a cheaper yen, which is now training on a
40 year low against the US dollar. That leaves us a trade deficit of ¥406.9
billion, which is much bigger than economists had expected, also larger
than the previous month. So you have an export still rising a
strong 19.3% year on year. But those import numbers very much
inflated because of a cheaper yen. This is Bloomberg. Oh. Well, SpaceX shares closed more than 3%
higher in New York, snapping seven days of declines.
And it comes as the company prepares to unlock as much as $116 billion worth of
stock next month for the first time. I guess deals editor MacArthur joins us
now from San Francisco. So what do we make of this recovery, and
what are the implications of what's about to happen next with the unlocking
of these shares? Yeah.
Um, it's gives me an enormous amount of shares hitting the market all at once
for, of course, the highest profile IPO of the year, um, 116, um, billion in
shares worth of shares. And that's going to have an effect on
the stock. One thing that's interesting is that
about 30% of the shares, as we reported today, um, are already on the
outstanding shares are already being shorted.
So this is going to create a situation in which, you know, could go in many
different directions. This is an opportunity for, for some of
these insiders, early backers to finally be able to cash out.
Oh, absolutely. It's um.
And in the price of space X of course, is is now below its IPO price.
But for somebody who's in their early, um, employee who's got however many
million worth of shares and they're only going to get, say, 5 million instead of
6 million or 7 million for their shares. That's a good selling opportunity.
And I'm sure that those folks really do want to get some cash out of their
efforts at this point, and that this is the first opportunity for them to do so
as insiders. The first unlock in August.
We going to see more gradually. And obviously there are other sort of
levels at which need to be met for these unlocks to, to take place.
But, uh, these opportunities for the bears to kind of pile on.
Given the unique structure of the way that this has been done, it's a
difficult to kind of make sense of the broader outlook here.
That there will as you know, there is this bracketed, um, release of shares
that are eligible to be sold. And it really, um, hits the peak in
December at about, I think 5.5 billion or so shares.
And that's going to just be the, the, the final measure at a few.
Well, and of course Elon Musk shares are still locked up I believe for another
year or so, another year total. And um, it does create depending on
what's happening with the stock. As, as you noted, there are a lot of
short sellers already in it. Um, the shares have fallen from their
post IPO high. And that's going to be a very
interesting thing to watch as we go forward obviously.
Michael hi. Thought good to have you with us.
Bloomberg US deals that are there with the latest on space.
As we watch those Asian futures. We are headed towards a market opens.
We're seeing some upside, perhaps not surprising given those big gains on Wall
Street, especially on the semiconductor side of things.
The market opens in Sydney, so then Tokyo or next.
This is Bloomberg. Will. Sign. This is the Asia trade we're counting
down to. Asia's major market opens in what could
potentially turn out to be a risk on day.
Heidi. Of course, we had the big rally in
chipmakers overnight. And even with the headlines around the
run war in tariffs. We still saw the Nasdaq 100 seeing its
best day in about a month. This is it, isn't it.
It's again that classic case of investors just pushing aside some of
these longer term issues. The tariff campaign, the resumption of
potentially these trade tensions. Also, we're now into a 10th, 11th day of
strikes when it comes to the U.S. and Iran, which has had earlier
confirmation of another round of operations there, with really President
Trump not really saying much when it comes to the prospect of more talks.
But cherry, it's all about the yen we are at.
Yeah, the Japanese yen right now being pressure on all sides.
We're talking about topping that 163 level against the U.S.
dollar. I mean, Heidi was talking about the Iran
war ongoing that sent oil prices higher. Japan, the heavily dependent economy on
Middle Eastern oil. That's not helping the picture.
And obviously, we have this whole idea by investors and traders that perhaps a
Bank of Japan is behind the curve. And then you bring in the other idea
that you have to be a little bit more careful about the fiscal constraints in
Japan. And you have the currency at a 40 year
low against the US dollar. We haven't seen these level since 1986.
But when it comes to the stock market, we're seeing that upside 4/10 of 1% for
the Nikkei. Given of course the semiconductor news
we have over not we're in big tech earnings season.
We're going to watch alphabet Tesla others that could be affected.
The hearing the Asian session because of that supply dynamic with the U.S.
do watch how of course that chipmakers assembly Philadelphia semiconductor
index jumping more than 5% overnight. We also do have a 40 year JGB auction
today that SMBC Nikko says okay, the size is relatively small.
Plus, we had seen some strong demand on the 20 year JGB auction recently, so we
could see a little bit of a boost there. Um, also, before I forget, the June
export numbers out of Japan actually pretty positive in the export side,
gaining 19% year on year, but also the trade deficit.
Pretty big because of the weekend. Take a look at how South Korea's coming
online. We've been watching the Korean War and
actually seeing a little bit more strength and below that 1500 level
against the U.S. dollar.
This, of course, as we have that 24 hour training session.
Right. So, uh, after that, we have seen perhaps
more of a trend of investors seeing the liberalisation of the Korean currency
space. So we're seeing volumes also gaining
about 16% above the normal course, be up 5%.
Watch SK Hynix, because we have local media in South Korea talking about, uh,
them trying to buy an Ohio chip plan from Intel, Intel coming out and saying
that they're investing in that plan. So, Heidi, plenty of news in the South
Korean market to watch as well. Yeah.
And it's interesting you were talking about the one and how we're focusing on
at the moment. We're hearing from the vice minister in
Korea, saying the imbalances in the market at ease.
They've got ample capacity to stabilize that market, but also encouraging
exporters to repatriate more overseas funds as well to, uh, stabilize that
supply demand balance in the second half.
So we're watching currencies. We're watching.
Of course, the dollar is that continues to push higher along with Treasury
yields along with the price of oil along with these inflation expectations.
Uh, you kind of get my drift, particularly as we continue to see
really no easing up when it comes to these hostilities between the US and
Iran. This is what we're watching when it
comes to Treasury rules at the moment. At one point, hitting that two month
high as that inflation risk continues to be, uh, reignited really, and
expectations building that the fed will have to raise rates as a result of this,
uh, futures at the moment, 20% chance being priced in for traders at the fed
will hike at the meeting next week. But we are also watching in terms of an
outlier for equities trading. We're also seeing some upside, uh, in
Aussie markets, about a 10th of 1% higher than it doesn't usually sort of
rise in tandem with some of the tech heavy markets given the limited exposure
to AI driven volatility. But for that very reason, that sort of
emerged as something of a haven at a time when we continuously see that sort
of up down cycle for South Korea, Japan, the Taiwanese markets as well.
Let's bring in for more. Colorado has a senior market analyst at
capital Akamai joins us from London. We appreciate you coming to us so late.
Your time. What's more compelling to you?
Investors are really led to sort of try and ignore the geopolitics of the
situation. But does that come into play when these
expectations really start to change? I think so.
I mean, it's a matter of urgency and right of change when it comes to rights.
I think this energy story, I think the underlying inflation pressures are still
strong and that, you know, the combination of fairly loose fiscal
settings as well as this investment firm and the sort of pressure that's putting
on physical resources right around the global economy is going to mean that
underlying inflation pressures are going to persist, and that the fed will
eventually have to tweak rights somewhere down the line, probably more
calibration hikes. But like I said, this situation in the
Middle East and the rapid rise we've seen once again in oil suggests that
there are going to be those supply side factors coming through from a higher
energy. Um, energy prices across the globe,
which will sort of create that urgency for the fed to tweak a little bit sooner
rather than later. Um, and of course, this comes with a
high degree of uncertainty. So because we are obviously well aware
that with the push of a truce, uh, you know, social post, you know, the oil
price could conceivably go back down to sort of $70 in the in the space of, you
know, fairly quick succession, uh, or, uh, you know, in the space of a few
weeks, um, you know, whereas if things escalate, things could get much worse.
And again, that kind of rate volatility will pick up even further.
So, you know, effectively, like I said, you know this this is kind of mirroring
the markets. Obviously it hasn't manifested too much
in equity volatility. Uh recently.
Um but if things continue to grind higher here for oil, the story for the
fed will be that it will have to hike interest rates sooner rather than later.
And that won't be obviously a positive thing for equities.
The volatility is is firmly in the eye chip maker space right.
Is this just the way it is going forward.
Because even if we are kind of set for a high day today, those gains have not
been so readily translated over the last few weeks.
I think everyone's waiting for earnings season and basically tech earnings,
which we're going to start to get. And I think, you know, maybe the rally
that we've seen in the last 24 hours or so on Wall Street has been very much the
market's front running, that I do see a lot of similarities to where we were at
this point in the last quarter, which is to say that we were sort of marred by
geopolitical risk and interest rate uncertainty.
But then it was these extraordinary profits from the hyperscalers in
particular, that really fed this narrative that monetization was
happening, that the investment boom would continue because it would be sort
of right of free cash flow to sort of pump back into capital expenditure.
And we saw everything rise from, you know, semis, because obviously that
expectation that floated into sort of cheap demand, just as amongst other
things as well. Uh, along with, of course, you know,
those hyperscalers, those who were sort of at the front line of benefiting from
the the artificial intelligence technology themselves.
So my view is that, you know, we're likely to see another earnings period
where we're going to get some solid results, um, from the tech giants that
what we've seen in the semi's and what we've seen in the tech space for is just
a little bit of consolidation and a little bit of churn.
Um, but, you know, obviously what will be critical will be actually reacting to
the results. My bias is that those results be solid
and, you know, set this sort of, um, trend higher once again.
Um, but, you know, we'll just sort of have to wait and say, fortunately, you
know, we've got that sort of data now, um, doing stated that the markets have
been looking for over the last few weeks, which has meant that, you know,
essentially, we've been waiting for that, that catalyst to push higher or
move lower, if you know, earnings having to to disappoint,
especially given the more than 90% of S&P 500 companies have beaten profits so
far. Right.
But the same time that the ones that missed actually were heavily punished.
What are the ramifications and implications for the Asian markets when
we're seeing already so much volatility right now?
The Korea Exchange activating the sidecar to halt the Cosby program buying
I mean it's been up and down, up and down for this market.
Yeah. I mean, you know, clearly there's been
some knock on effects, I think, from some of the interventions that
policymakers in South Korea have made to try and control what has been pretty
much a wild and unruly market in South Korea.
And, of course, you know, a part of that is, you know, to do with chip demand and
the kind of choppiness that we've seen played through from Wall Street, tried
with some, you know, semiconductor stocks to basically sort of pulled back
and blown off some froth. Um, and that's, you know, hit sky high
and that's it, Samsung and all those sort of big names.
You know, the other side of this though, was obviously South Korea's.
It's just such a heavily retail driven market.
Now policy makers are realizing the systemic risk associated with having
such a highly leveraged, highly retail dominated market, not just to, um, its
equity markets and financial system, but also obviously financial markets around
the world, because they were sort of, you know, potentially dictating even
some for selling in some other, um, in assets in other markets to obviously
cover losses in the, in the, in the, in the stocks that were sustaining losses
in the South Korean market. So I think if anything, what we can say
about the Asian region, if we do get some of these solar, if we do get solid
results from some of these tech companies that are boost that I
narrative once again and starts taking that fear away of basically, you know,
taking the eye investment and sort of monetization peak profits is it will
take some of the pressure off policymakers to take some pressure off
the market and ease some of those technical pressures as well, so that,
you know, things could basically break at once.
Again, um, you know, stability can return to obviously, that very volatile
pocket of global markets. I call at least some relief.
Could be the fact that pharma stocks are really not doing much, despite the fact
that this morning we got President Trump talking about generic drugs and taxing
them, while 100% or so from August 2028, um,
it seems that the markets have already priced in any trade volatility, right?
I mean, we'll continue to get these headlines around new tariffs, but at the
same time, what are the implications if we actually do get supply chain
disruptions because of these tariffs. And there are implications with higher
oil from the Iran war for the Federal Reserve.
I think there is the possibility that the markets have taken their eyes off
the ball, because there's only so much, at least from a narrative point of view,
that, uh, traders can focus on at any given point in time.
And I think there has been instances over the last couple of years where, you
know, it might be true, might be on the other foot.
We've been sort of dominated by, you know, trade uncertainty and fears about
tariffs and things of that nature and then being blindsided by geopolitical
risk or vice versa. What we're seeing now, where, you know,
there is clearly still the intention from the Trump administration to try and
push forward with its trade agenda, even though obviously pretty much, you know,
President Trump's whole second term now is being dominated or or I should say,
the last six months of Trump's second term now is basically been dominated by
foreign policy, in particular this war that's been started in the Middle East.
So I think, in fact, the markets aren't discounting this fully, that, you know,
perhaps the Trump administration will try and, you know, more or less, you
know, uh, fight a war on two fronts, uh, a trade war and a hot war.
Um, and, you know, when it comes to the former.
Uh, that could mean higher tariffs, more trade uncertainty, um, another sort of
miniature supply shock which has been characteristic of Trump's, you know, um,
economic philosophy for a long time, certainly is his second term and could
be something that is, you know, maybe a bit of a grace one for the markets.
So something definitely to watch out for because, again, I don't think the
markets are really paying much attention to it perhaps.
I could again argue a little bit complacent when it comes to trade.
Yeah. US trade policy
call when it comes to China markets. Uh, national team is back, it seems.
Given the view on China stocks was becoming more constructive in recent
weeks and months anyway. Does this just add to that support?
I think it does. I mean, and it shows you, you know, two
things that we're in an era of huge economic competition because of what's
going on with artificial intelligence, when there's the commercial imperatives
to try and make sure that, you know, every entity and every, every business
is moving forward to try and find ways to monetize this particular technology
and grow in that is a interest aligned for business interests as well as
political interests and pretty much every economy around the world.
But the flip side of it is the strategic interests, obviously, in trying to
protect these industries and make sure that effectively, uh, financial markets
and financial conditions and asset prices are well enough supported to make
sure that firms do remain in a position where they can sort of, you know, try
and achieve their economic objectives again because they more or less align
with those sort of strategic imperatives of trying to make sure that you don't
get left behind in these artificial intelligence arms.
Right. So the fact that, you know, we've had
over the last couple of days, Chinese authorities stepping in to try and
support asset prices more broadly, financial conditions as a way of pushing
sentiment, um, you know, boosting economic activity, you know, boosting,
you know, the asset values of some of these companies that are going to be
important to, you know, um, the, uh, Chinese economy in the future.
Um, as well as, you know, obviously, the sort of Kimi breakthrough is a sort of
deep seated moment means that I think there's the potential.
We could see this sort of valuation gap that has been pretty persistent for a
little while in US markets, compared to certainly Chinese markets and those
sensitive to China close up a little bit.
So I think it's a fairly positive signal, uh, signal, especially
considering, you know, valuations in China, again, relative to US peers have
been so depressed. Conrado, great to have you with us
again, senior market analyst@capital.com.
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Take a look at how pharma are trading in the Asia session.
We have brought downside a little bit of a mixed picture, but perhaps not
necessarily a huge impact from what we heard from President Trump, that he'll
be setting 100% tariffs on generic drugs from August of 2028.
Those will eventually go up. Remember, we're also expecting,
according to sources, that we might get a list of other tariffs on dozens of
other countries as well. We had already heard what happened to
Canada with a 50% tariff on some Canadian goods, which will take effect
in about 30 days. Let's discuss all of this and bring in
senior white House reporter. Make us older.
Mika. So first of all, let's start with the
generic drugs. I mean, President Trump has never been
happy with the price of pharmaceuticals in the U.S..
What are we expecting? Yeah, I mean, we saw the surprise
announcement tonight from the president essentially declaring another major push
in his most favored nations drug pricing policy.
That's been a major, uh, issue for the administration that they're really
trying to advocate for. Uh, the president, uh, is arguing, of
course, that this is in line with trying to make prescription drugs, um, and drug
prices in the US comparable to other, uh, nations with high cost drugs.
So essentially, he's seeing this as a way to level the playing field when it
comes to imposing tariffs not only on branded drugs, as he has done previously
in the past, and has declared an executive order on an April, but now
expanding it to generic drugs, which is about more than 90% of drugs here in the
US. And we're potentially expecting more
tariffs on other countries and just different lists of products as well this
week. Yeah.
Uh, it's very it's very possible we do see some expectations on that.
The white House has been very bullish on this.
We saw what the president had announced with, uh, Canada in terms of uh,
imposing tariffs further there. Um, tariffs is of course a cornerstone
of the White House's trade policy, and the president has continued to make his
push on that despite some of the legal challenges he faced with the Supreme
Court striking down some of his efforts to impose tariffs globally.
Um, it's a very sensitive issue for the president, I would argue.
Um, so, yeah, we can expect to see more on this front.
And this is also one of these issues that can really remain in place even
without, uh, the control of Congress next year, potentially, if Republicans
lose a one chamber or both. And beyond Trump as he leaves office.
Uh, so this is one way that he can kind of make some permanent impact.
So, Mika, let's talk a little bit about the upcoming midterm elections in
November. How are we setting up and how would
these new tariffs actually play into whatever narrative the president is
trying to craft right now? Yeah, I mean, look, the white House has
really struggled with crafting a strong affordability message when it comes to
cost of living for Americans. Uh, the Trump administration has really
tried to foster their most favored nation's drug pricing policy as a major
win for them when it comes to this issue.
I think the president is viewing tariffs as one way that he believes that he is
putting U.S. on a fair, uh, playing field compared to
other nations that offer lower cost of drugs.
And, uh, look, the president has already introduced things like Trump, which has
offered drug pricing options for Americans through a government sponsored
website. That's one thing that they're touting as
an affordability win for voters and saying that, you know, this is a one way
that they are trying to make health care affordable as well.
So I think we'll continue to see this push.
We're seeing the president on the campaign trail.
He'll be out tomorrow in Georgia. We're seeing an administration officials
continue to tout this, so there'll be a lot before November.
Senior white House reporter. Make us all another one.
In the meantime, the cost of the U.S. war on Iran is continuing to climb.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, telling lawmakers that the bill has topped $37
billion. The Pentagon is seeking an additional
$67 billion in funding to replenish weapons, replace damaged equipment and
invest in future military capabilities. It's a current activity, which we have
been told about the exchange of our back and forth in Iran, an indication that
that number is going to go up in the months ahead.
Some of that number captures additional on mill pay and other that would be
anticipated through the fiscal year. So some of that anticipates what costs
would be going out in the future as well.
So the new number you've given me is what,
37.5 billion sign that represents the cost of the war through what period of
time through now for certain aspects of it?
Uh, but also mill pay O&M other anticipated costs through September
30th. Bloomberg editor Michael Hayes joins us
now for more. And undoubtedly, the sell for more money
for this war is becoming a difficult one in Congress, but also with the American
public as well. At the same time, President Trump, after
we're now seeing an 11th night of strikes, he doesn't seem to be very
hurried. No, I mean, he's made it clear that he
said if they walked away now, that would have been very successful.
But they're not going to be doing that. And I think that, you know, that's sort
of the logical approach. So we've got this contest of wills at
the moment. Um, you know, now that the memorandum of
understanding has sort of unravelled over the, over the Strait of Hormuz,
really and, and, um, who's sort of who's whose version of, of the MoU will come
to pass in a way, because Iran assumed that he would have control of it even if
they weren't going to be any tolls. Uh, the US assumed that it would be free
movement until, you know, the 60 days had passed and, uh, until, you know, one
side because I guess where this is, it's just going to be, you know, an
escalation, but not not back to as bad as where we were.
So it looks like it's going to persist for some time yet.
In the meantime, the proxies have now come back into play.
Yeah, well, I mean, we've got the Hutus who.
Who, um, have caused trouble for shipping in the past as well.
And they're targeting Saudi Arabia. Um, which is obviously it's made leading
a coalition in Yemen as well. Uh, saying that and Bloomberg same some
reporting that, um, that any ship that basically goes to a shell, a Saudi port
is going to be targeted now that they've made threats in the past and not
followed through on them, but then they have to follow through in some cases.
So it's certainly going to increase nervousness, particularly for the
Saudis, because they've been moving some of their oil through that, that side of
the sea with the Strait of Hormuz in such trouble.
So yes, it look it seems to be widening. It seems to be getting more and more
difficult when they get it to muckle heat there.
As we continue to watch that tick higher when it comes to oil prices, more head
on the Asia trade. This is Bloomberg. For.
The South China Seas back in focus as a Southeast Asian, Chinese and Western
diplomats gather in the Philippines. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told
the Asean Secretary-General that disputes in the waterway should not
become a stumbling block for regional ties.
I was trying to correspond to meet me know is at the meetings in Manila.
So, I mean, it's not just the South China Sea, though, right?
I mean, the meetings are taking place under the shadow of the Iran war as
well. What's on the agenda?
Yeah, there is a lot of on the agenda. And South China Sea is one of the issues
that has overshadowed the talks here because of the incident that happened
just ahead of this meeting by both China and the Philippines, trading accusations
at each other, uh, accusing each other of being the provocateur, the
provocateur in the South China Sea. And this comes as yesterday China has
summoned the Philippine ambassador. And guess what?
President Marcos also summoned the Chinese ambassador.
Both sides lodging complaints against each other in the South China Sea.
And one of the things, the fast things the foreign minister, Wang Yi, said when
he arrived and spoke to the secretary general is that the South China Sea must
not be a stumbling block. And Chinese state media has been
publishing plenty of editorials saying that this is a familiar playbook from
the Philippines, where they look for an opportune moment where there is going to
be international spotlight. They would create an incident in a South
China Sea and then get the scrutiny from world leaders and then try to play the
victim to draw international attention. And Wang Yi is saying that Asian nations
must be vigilant against external interference.
And Wang Yi also, of course, saying that China is willing to work with Asean
nations when it comes to removing disruptive forces and also to work
towards concluding, uh, negotiation, continuing negotiation on the code of
conduct on the South China Sea. But mind you, that negotiation has been
ongoing for 20 years. So very low bar in terms of expectations
about whether or not there will be any breakthroughs.
As also, of course, the ongoing U.S. around war.
And there is some concern, of course, given that we've seen Asian economies
really suffering that outsized impact from the energy crisis.
That's right. This is one of the things that all the
Asian countries agreed on. They released a statement really urging
all parties of the Iran war to exercise restraint and to avoid aggravating
things even further. And why?
Because Southeast Asian nations are price takers and energy importers.
They buy a lot of energy from the Middle East.
And the impact is very, very clearly here.
Why here? You in the Philippines, back in March,
there were protests happening and President Marcos had to call for a
national energy emergency to ensure sufficient fuel, food and basic products
to prevent profiteering and hoarding. So this is a key issue for many of these
Southeast Asian nations, not just because of fuel prices, but of course,
the other key issue is with the Middle East war dragging on, it's moving U.S.
military assets from Asia to the Middle East.
And this is coming amid the tensions in the South China Sea, amid the tensions
in Taiwan and the East China Sea. And, of course, tensions in the Pacific,
as well as China, recently launched those long range ballistic missiles in
the Pacific Ocean in response to Australia signing this piece of ocean
alliance with Fiji. So there is a lot of security issues in
the Indo-Pacific that will be a focus here as well.
One back China correspondent women low there.
More ahead on the Asia trade. This is Bloomberg. Take a look at where we're at when it
comes to these markets that are trading half an hour to the start of trading for
Korea and Japan, at the moment, we are seeing the sort of gangbusters trading
when it comes to that Korean story again on this rotation back into favor for
chipmakers. It is such a volatile trade, the one
that's actually sort of waiting for that next catalyst to give any kind of
sustained theme. Regardless of that, investors are just
pushing us thought the broader geopolitical risk.
Of course, in an 11th day of operations of strikes between the U.S.
and Iran at the moment, with that conflict also broadening into the Red
sea with the involvement of the Iran backed Hutus as well.
But broadly it is an update. The Nikkei 225 also seen gains of just
about 2%, with the yen continuing that slide past that 163 market mark for a
fresh four decade low against the dollar, which of course continues to
climb on the back of higher Treasury yields on the back of that rise in oil
as well. So we continue to watch that because
intervention at this point doesn't seem to be impactful if if sort of much point
to it at all. Right.
In terms of what we've heard of the tools that are being available to
policymakers that haven't yet been exercised, exercised, but we are
watching a lot of these chip maker names at the moment very, very resoundingly in
the green. The China AI story is getting quite
interesting as well, because Bloomberg's been told that the Chinese AI startup
moonshot is preparing to begin discussions on a final round of
fundraising before listing in Hong Kong. Sources say it wants to use the buzz
around its latest model to raise capital at a valuation of up to $50 billion.
It's give me a 3D model has surprised developers and investors with
performance approaching the latest frontier models from OpenAI and
anthropic. Let's bring in General Fehr, who's the
chief strategist and head of research at BMC international.
Really great to have you with us. Does this how much?
I guess extra support and impetus and excitement does this generate for that
broader AI and chip related trade with Chinese and onshore and offshore stocks?
Yeah, I think that's, uh, that's a major driver, uh, not only for China, but also
for the US. Uh, you know, for China, I think I is a
major driver to surpass the middle income trap.
And for the US, it's a major engine for, uh, check back the, the manufacturing as
well as, uh, assimilate back into the U.S..
So that's a driver for both sides. And I would say the, uh, the, uh, the
policy makers, the they don't want the, the engine to to to to to to stop her.
Uh, no. So I will say that's will be the major
investment focus. Uh, as you just mentioned, about the
Kimmy, uh, hyperbole stays. I still remember in the early 2000, the
25 where we have the deep seek moments that, um, make the market very volatile
and, uh, some GPUs or western Western GPU, uh, producer stock price goes back,
goes down. So I would say at that moment, it
actually provides a very good opportunity to buy into the sector
because, oh, that, uh, means I development is pretty good, that what
drives more demands instead of for slowing the demands.
So more, um, demands will generate much more demand for the GPU, for the, uh,
infrastructure for for the whole sector. And now we've got the national team
seemingly back in force. Right.
Does this generate further support? Because it does kind of underwrite
Almost a guarantee that for a matter of government policy, they want these
companies to be profitable. I think we should understand this in two
ways. The first is about, uh, you know, when
it's just we use a metaphor. It's just like throwing a stone into the
into a pond. Right?
And then in the middle, you will go down the most.
It's just like the superstars nowadays in the, in the eye sector.
But what we need is we need the, the ripple to spread out.
So that's a whole coverage, not only just a few superstar names, but all the
second tier. So the tier infrastructure, all of that
will bring a large percentage of the GDP, uh, bring more kind of wealth and
income with that to, to, to fuel the whole economy.
So that, I mean, the, the government money or the that will do some kind of
the fine to use because, uh, even the superstars, I will say, uh, maybe some
of the names is real with solid fundamentals, but the always will be.
Have some, uh um um, uh, some names. The fundamentals might not be that
solid. Okay.
If the fundamental is not that solid, maybe the stock price correction will be
b b b b b large. So in that sense I would think the
government money may uh I will not say the government the money will always be
the most of smart money. But, but uh, that, that in some times
they may guide in the direction a little bit to help the ripple to spread out to
real some, uh, more fundamental solid the names.
So, uh, nowadays, if you look at the, the eye sectors in China, you will see,
um, some, uh, tech names, some eye names.
They have, uh, ten pe like, uh, 100 times, which implies that they need the
earnings growth to, to double or triple or even more than that.
So the robustness of that kind of earning growth will be not that, uh,
that's safe. But at the same time, we will see a lot
of I maybe not, uh, the superstars in these days, but it's it's very.
I related that the fundamentals is solid.
Earning girls is more visible, and the pay level is only like 20 or 30 times.
So that gun range is still cheap. So when we look at the, uh, the
fundamentals, we need to understand the earning girls is coming from, um, price
hypers or from the very girls. So it seems to us if this goes to the
volume girls, that's more healthy, uh, if it goes to the price hypers, then we
we will. We need to be more, uh, cautious.
And especially if the, if it's coming from, like inventory buy in the in the,
in the in the in the in the chaff in this sale.
It's a higher price that my, uh, makes us feel some more, uh, cautious about
it. Susceptibility.
Tell us about this East Riding West resilience theme.
Because obviously that in itself speaks to the value that you can find in
Chinese AI and chip related stocks, right?
How do you sort of break that apart in terms of how we expect, uh, the kind of
the companies in the East to potentially scale up and develop from here.
The first of all, we do not think this eye, um, uh, trend is, uh, is uh, is a
zero sum game. It's not it's definitely not a zero sum
game. It's some some something like you, uh,
you wing eye wing more or less this kind of game.
And, uh, it's not only on the supply chain, it's on almost everything.
Even like the innovation, uh, when we talk about Deep Six innovation on
cutting cost, the innovation on the long past.
Oh, that is actually, uh, an open source model that is actually helps each other
to to makes, uh, the environment, uh, better.
And, uh, let's say, uh, we look at the global economy.
Um, I would say maybe now the US and China's total population combined is
less than 20% of the whole global population, and the global growth rate,
as has long been below the US potential. A grocery so I would say it's a it's a
it's a not, uh, zero sum game. And uh, for uh, more even put that
aside. When we see the markets reactions, I
will see the value issue anchor the liquidity.
Oh bounce together. I mean, I mean, even now the the Korean
market or the Japan market, I mean, the whole the whole world is linked to each
other, uh, both on the technology development side as well as on the value
anchor and the liquidity side. Before we let you go, I wanted to get
your views on how the broader economy is going.
And I guess from a perspective of whether the eye economy is going to be
kind of the driver, that finally brings the broader, uh, economic growth out of
the malaise that we've seen over the past few years.
Right. Do you also see some of the other
opportunities within other sectors now? Uh, yes and no.
The first of all is we believe the shape of the divergence is actually pretty
good. You know, it's good because we need the
resources to be re-allocated. So, I mean, in that in that sense, the
shape will sustain. And we at the same time, we do expect
the, the the rotation, the as I said, the ripple spread out to happen a little
bit. First of all, we, uh, believe the the
eye sectors cannot just benefit uh, a small bench of the names, as I said, the
the superstars, the characters, the characteristics that by like hundreds
times a PE training PE and expect the earning girls to double triple even like
ten folds. Uh, in the next three years.
We need more names. We need, uh, um, a current evaluation,
uh, 20, 30 times. And I'll have like 30, 40% sustainable
growth of these names. So first of all we think this spread out
well happens within these sectors. Not goes to something like consumer
retail not to to to such sectors, but in the longer term.
In the longer term, we do expect that the wealth effect uh, expected uh, the,
the, the income effect to have this transmission set a mechanism to pursue
the other sectors. So if that happened, I would say that
may takes time. That may may take some, um, that will
help the whole economy, uh, to as a whole to, to, to improve other bit.
But now I would say we still need to focus, to spend the resources onto the
eco related sectors, just not to, uh, only to the superstars, but where we
spread out a little bit to the second tier, third tier that account for a big
percentage of the whole GDP already. And this year we do expect that that
related sectors will have earning gross more than 20, Maybe even close to 30% of
the wildlife. Gross.
So that is already a big part of that. For the other things, we because of the
analogy that for the other, oh, the economy related sectors, consumer relief
sectors, even now, I would say their value change is still low.
The multiplier effect is still limited. So put the money into the new things is
better is most while then putting money into the into the uh, traditional ones
and be patient really and allow the bullet to fly for a while.
That's the most important part of, uh, of that response.
Be patient. Really great to have you with us.
Chen Health, who is the chief strategist at BRC International Moorhead here in
the ag trade. This is Bloomberg. I got you,
uh, on your intervention. Watch again.
Slotting past 163 per dollar for the first time since 1986.
That weakness in the testing authority's resolve to intervene.
Let's bring up with Reynolds, who leads our markets live Asia coverage.
And I think we keep hearing they have tools at their disposal.
I guess the question is, at these levels, if we do get intervention, is it
wasted? Are the bears just going to be kind of
repositioning their shorts? Pretty much.
So I mean, the tools that they have at their disposal right now are just going
to put a few scratches, uh, on the G. But the car is going to keep on rolling
when it comes to I can stretch my metaphors.
If we can come to what's going on with the dollar.
Yeah. And, uh, you know, there is, uh, an
understandable, you know, period of dollar strength with crude back on the
rise, your Brent is sustainably above and, quote, substantially above $90 a
barrel and looking like it's going to stay there.
Uh, despite some apparent anticipation that at some stage Donald Trump will
once more pivot towards peace. For now, he's not sounding like he's
particularly in a rush to do that. Uh, he's more focused on tariff
announcements, it would seem, right now than then when you also have you've got
the fed coming up, uh, next week expected to stay on hold.
But this climb in, uh, crude prices is going to make it awfully hard for them
to do much to tone down the recent hawkish rhetoric.
So that's a set up which leaves the yen facing, you know, sustained declines.
About all they can do is try and slow it down, uh, try and keep the declines
measured and avoid a two rapid shift. As you said, it's a push higher for the
dollar as a push higher for you. This was going with oil prices.
Also tech stocks as well. Does this start to change expectations
again for the fed. Well I think it starts to cement
expectations for the fed. You know, if you if you look, uh, at
some of what some of the, the data, there have been like a few apprehensions
about what's going on with the U.S. economy, but in general, it still looks
very strong. Uh, you've had these concerns about the
eye trade, which so far have mostly looked like they've wiped out some of
the overleveraged, overextended, uh, trades from retail investors and from
some other investors who are willing to risk a lot in order to tap what looked
like some extraordinary gains. Now that you've had that position clear
out, in a lot of ways, we're reasonably set up for further further gains in tech
shares for a realization that the eye boom is going to boost US economic
output and probably economic output elsewhere in that environment.
It's very hard to see how the fed doesn't stick with a relatively hawkish
stance. We talk about the intervention risks,
broader intervention risks. Isn't that the PSA might be getting a
bit uncomfortable with how quickly the yuan has strengthened.
There might still be more volatility yet for the one which is trading hard.
Yeah. Well I mean I think the yuan is the is
the bigger risk there. Uh, you know, there is actually some
chatter that, you know, Japan is quite happy to see
the yen decline, both because of how that helps US exporters in general, but
in particular how it helps competitiveness against China.
And the Chinese eye complex, which is starting to become something of a threat
to, you know, tech names that have been important to Japan.
So for China, uh, you know, if it lets the yuan keep on gradually appreciating
against the dollar and the yen keeps on depreciating against the dollar, that's
a worry. So I think you could see some pushback
from the PBoC for Korea. Korea is actually quite happy, I think,
to see the, the one, uh, leave the days of wretched declines behind it.
Right. Garfield Reynolds, who leads our
Bloomberg and live Asia coverage there with the latest on the markets as we
continue to keep our eyes on the Japanese yen.
Other assets, of course, we're talking about the yen, about 163 level against
the U.S. dollar, 40 year low against the
greenback. But you're watching the Nikkei right
now, gaining more than 1.5% that we're seeing more stocks gaining ground today
on the Nikkei 140 of them versus 83. A lot of those gains coming from the
semiconductor side of things. We're talking about the technology
sector. We're talking about industrials also the
energy sector. And not surprising given the Iran
headlines and the price of oil gaining ground.
A little bit of a mixed picture when it comes to automakers.
We're seeing the likes of Nissan gaining but Toyota Honda losing ground the
Bloomberg Intelligence survey, now showing the hybrids remain the vehicle
of choice for Japanese consumers. While concern over affordability,
charging infrastructure and trust continue to weigh on EV adoption.
Bloomberg Intelligence associate analyst Marie-Christine Yokohama joins us now
with more on this. And Maria, I'm not surprised, given that
if you're in the urban setting, I mean, hybrids do sound like a good choice.
So what are you seeing in terms of Japan, where we're seeing a little bit
of a hurdle for more people to adopt of these cars?
So in Japan, Japan remains a hybrid first legacy LED auto market, and we see
little signs of a near-term Bev inflection.
Our latest survey on Japanese consumers car buying behavior shows that hybrids
still remain the dominant choice. Um, their favorite by 41% of
prospective, um, car buyers. And that compares to just 7%, um, for
battery electric vehicles. This places Japan among the least
enthusiastic markets in our, um, in our watch markets.
Um, there's two main reasons. One is affordability and the other is
charging infrastructure. Um, so on affordability, although we
find that Bev, um, economics can improve over the ownership period and in some
cases lifetime costs can be lower than, say, a comparable Ise or a hybrid
vehicle. Japanese consumers are very much, um,
price sensitive, and they place a lot of weight on the more visible upfront
costs. And I mean, with a cheap Japanese yen
right now, I have to assume that potentially domestic carmakers are
better than foreigners at this point. Um, yes.
So Japan, the Japanese auto market remains overwhelmingly dominated by
domestic brands that make up, um, close to 90% of new car sales.
Um, and in our survey also, um, there's clear buyer preference for domestic
brands. Toyota remains the number one popular
brand in our brand rankings. This is followed by Honda and Suzuki by
quite a wide margin. We really good to have you with us.
With everything on the Japanese EV and Bev market.
Marie-Christine Yokohama, Bloomberg Intelligence, Japan auto associate.
We have more to come. This is Bloomberg. Counting down to the start of trading in
China. Of course, lots of crosscurrents going
on, including that vibrant AI story that's emerging there.
But we're also watching property stocks. So the focus on Hong Kong's housing
market, Bloomberg Intelligence thinks that it's ready now for a sustainable
rebound. It sees secondary home prices jumping
19% over this year. Next let's bring in Hong Kong head
Patrick Wong. So Patrick tell us about the outlook and
why do we see or what do you see I should say.
The green shoots for a sustainable rebound.
Now. Yes, we see the opportunities here for
the housing market in Hong Kong. The drive is driven by several things.
One is about the rental growth is sustainable here.
We see over the past few years, every year the growth is about 5%.
And then this year again, we also observe the opportunity that, um, the
property is driven by population info again and driven by several things.
One is about more students coming Hong Kong.
They study in the universities. I think this important driver and then
the working visa we want is every year allow is over 100,000 visas granted too,
like driving more population coming to Hong Kong.
So and the investment demand still strong.
I think this is also important. We see the like there's several factors
to be pricing here with our data scientists to that gather.
We want our model. And then we come up with the ideas that
several major factors are also driving the Hong Kong price of home prices to
11% this year. And then so far every year to date is
also up about 7%. And then going into the second half of
this year up another 4%. So we start building a strong momentum.
There are concerns about the impact of Chinese government, uh, capital outflow
controls being tightened on the Hong Kong property market.
How does that play into the outlook? Yes.
Very good question. Because honestly, I think the concern
um, recently we see this slowed down a little bit in terms of the Chinese
system. Why them?
Because of overall situation. I think there is also a bit tricky that,
um, some um, buyers, they also become we see update of prices going up a lot.
Um, yeah. Today.
Having said that, I think the key driver right now is again, the fundamental
demand is pretty strong. So the ride is going up.
And then he's also driving the investment demand at some point.
So although I think we are still positive that the situation could
actually improve, especially summertime, the rental is going up again.
So that is also important things to, um, increase the um, the outlooks of the
home prices and rents. The office market trend, uh, is looking
a little bit more positive as well, particularly in central.
What's the view there. We're going to see further improvement.
It's a good question. I think overall we have 5% growth
forecast for 2 to 6 and 2 to 7 all together for the overall market.
But um central um district is um the key driver.
The growth could be much stronger. And based on the fact that the, um, the
IPO pipeline is very strong in Hong Kong, trying to find also a business
demand. So that is also a very important driver
to to see. We also have data scientists will come
up with some forecasts. Although I still have positive.
Impact real Estate senior analyst and head of Bloomberg Intelligence Hong
Kong, Patrick Wong. And of course, you are looking ahead to
the market opens in China. And we have seen speculation of state
support with a star 50 seeing its best day in nearly two years.
So we'll be watching those stocks. Last week the star, 50, fell about 17%,
the fastest pace since the 20 1516 crash.
So I will be watching the volatility in the Chinese market.
Also futures pointing to some upside after we saw that chip rally overnight.
We have now seen media reports of TSMC plans of 5 to 10% price increase for
some chip making services in 2027, so we'll be following the latest
developments around semiconductors as well.
The China show is next. This is Bloomberg.
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