Mad Money 10/15/26 | Audio Only

My mission is simple, to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field for all investors. There's always a market somewhere, and I promise to help you find it. Mad Money starts now. Hey, I'm Kramer. Welcome to Mad Money. Welcome to Cra America. Let's go make friends. I'm just trying to make a little bit of money. My job is not just to teach, but to entertain, educate. So call me at 1800 743 CNBC. Tweet me at Jim Kramer. Diversification hurts so bad until days like today when you learn why you own Kimberly Clark or Proctor and Gamble. Why you bother with WM the old waste management or trafficking Eli Lillian or Applov and Reddit Nike. These are all stocks that have soared over the last few days as the market suddenly cooled in the data center stocks and moved away from tech hardware. And it wasn't just soft goods that rallied. The software stocks took off as did some of the transports and of course all the oils. That's how the Dow jumped 556 points. S&B gained.33%. Even the NASDAQ globally advanced 008%. It was like old-timers day for some, but I regard it as a diversification bonanza. We don't talk enough about diversification on the show in part because it's no fun when one group keep outperforming the rest of the market by miles and miles. Who wants to stay diversified when the AI data center stocks are redot and the and only the AI data center stocks? Nothing else. Everything else is ice cold. But when that group crashed to earth over the last few weeks, only diversification, some cash can save your portfolio from obliteration. If you're too concentrated, you're going to get blown out. Possibly giving up on the entire asset class and heading for cash as so many did in 2000, 2008, and 2022. that departed left trillions on the table. My goal is to make it so that doesn't happen to you. You'll be this CNBC investing club meeting today which went a little long because we had to talk about the slow motion train wreck that tech has become. Almost day after day for the last month, we've seen major give ups in the data center plays. It's been nothing but bloodshed led down by SKH Heinix, the Korean memory chip maker that dominates trading in Korea and has begun to have the same impact here. After being a rocket ship rallying almost 1,000% over a 2-year period that ended in June, SKH Highix and also its memory-making cousin Samsung have been just disasters. How bad SKH, the one that trades in the US, was at $195 10 days ago. Now it's at 146 bucks. That was easy. >> In the last few years, the Korean market has been gripped by a trading frenzy like no other. Individual investors dominate the action in Korea, unlike Europe. And they don't seem to care for diversification at all. I have seen statistics showing that SKH Highix and Samsung represent a huge percentage of traders portfolios in Korea with many owning just these two stocks, nothing else. Talk about crowded. In the last few weeks, these stocks have been mowed down. I mean, they're mowing down the shareholders, especially the dimlets who bought them with borrowed money. Unfortunately, there's been some spillover here, although that only makes a bad situation worse. These two Korean stocks, and frankly, most of the tech hardware names desperately need the AI data center story to remain intact. Lately, though, that story has developed some cracks. The data center buildout needs a huge amount of cash. But with interest rates rising, cash been harder to come by stands the reason. The two biggest companies in the business, OpenAI and Anthropic, are still private, although the latter could come public by Thanksgiving. Last night, Anthropic gave out some sales figures and an outlook that some regarded actually is disappointing. At the same time, Corweave, a heavily indebted data center builder that we talk about a lot, saw it stock under attack from short sellers who argue that the company could have trouble continuing its own buildout because its public debt yields 15%. Okay, it's generally worrisome even though it's uh private land loans trade much higher. Now the witness inquiry was nothing new. It's been going on ever since the stock peaked in May at 138. It's now 69 change. It's worst week of the year. But it was the breakdown in its bonds, not its stock that caused people to panic because Cory has a huge amount of debt. Much of it is backed by Invidia semiconductors. So let's figure out the chain. For the longest time, the whole data center ecosystem was soaring. Increasingly, Koreans have been buying stocks heavily in our market. They've been bidding up the highest flying semiconductors. Well, by the way, as Tesla and Nvidia when things were going up, wow, all was well. But now that there's been a breakdown, the Korean selling has bled right into our market. The concentration, the lack of diversification caused a giant sell off in the semis. I've been saying it's gotten so bad that you can tell how hard our tech stocks will be hit just by getting up early and watching how SK SK Highness and Samsung trade overnight. It's been the greatest tell I can call recall. No matter what the Korean cost me in the NASDAQ, they can't seem to decouple anymore. Which brings me to yesterday. We had non-stop coverage of the dangers of Cory. We focusing on how expensive it had become given that Cory was a huge client for a host of data center suppliers. That was bad news for the entire complex. Then after the close, we learned that Anthropic's been letting potential investors know its revenues have grown from $4.7 billion in the first in the year's first quarter to 11.6 billion in the second and then 16.8 billion in the third quarter. Just disclosed last night. Sounds great, right? But the skeptics point out that anthropic sequential growth has slowed from 147% in the second quarter to 45% in the third quarter. You know, it could still be operating a hundred billion run rate by the year end, but it's not what the Uber bulls wanted to see. They say its growth rate is slowing. Now, last night, Taiwan Semi, which manufactures Nvidia chips among many others, actually report a terrific, much better expected quarter. I thought that would staunch the bleeding that would go into Korea. Nope. The Cosby, which again is chiefly SKH Highix and Samsung, was so horrendous that they had the whole trading for 20 minutes. The Korean version of SKHIX fell 11% and Samsung dropped over 9%. Now, the selling looked like again it would spread here as it has for months now. The opening was indeed ugly for tech core leading us lower. It didn't stop declining until Nvidia CEO Jensen Wong a core weave backer said the company not only didn't need his help. The company it was actually doing better than expected. That allowed core weave stock to turn positive and most of the group managers stabilized with smaller losses. By the end of the day, Corave actually closed up nearly 6%. Incredible given it was a death store at the opening. Stock jumped from $59 at its lows to $69 at the close. That's a stunning rebound. But while all this back and forth was happening, money was pouring into all sorts of non- tech stocks. That's the point. Consumer package goods, place, retailers, restaurants, healthcare. It was like a tech jailbreak. We've seen stocks that have done nothing wrong aside from having no data center exposure. And don't I know it. At last month's investing club call, I talked about my sellers are worse about corning. I said I was I thought I was being a pig and I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't take my lack of diversification. So, what did I do? Well, we bought Kimberly Clark, the maker of Kleenex, high fiber glass to low fiber toilet paper. Boy, did I look stupid. I wanted to put my head in the toilet and do some power flushing. Now, though, Corny's rolling over. KIMBERLY CLARK'S TAKING OFF. LOOK, I DON'T know how long the buy in these four-lone stocks going to last. I don't know if the coast will ever be clear for the data centers until after the midterm elections when we see if the state and local politicians are still willing to let data centers be built in the states. But one thing I do know, there will be a heck of a lot fewer Koreans trading tonight than there were not that long ago because of the losses that you almost always generate when a concentrated portfolio goes bad. It's a shame. Maybe with the bounce back from the bottom today, American SKH Highix, there'll be a little bit of followthrough. But the bottom line to those who persisted in owning the food, beverage drug healthcare entertainment, big box retailers, and discounters, hey, I say congratulations. The ones who own software, consumer packets, good stocks, fantastic. you stayed diversified. That means you're still watching. Think of it like a designated driver for your portfolio. None no fun when the party's on. But when everybody's plastered and puking out their guts, these non- tech stocks will get you home safely like did today. Pretty sobering when you think about it. Let's go to Kyle in my home state of New Jersey. Kyle, >> my best friend Jim Kramer, how you doing buddy? >> I'm doing pal. Doing great, pal. Hey, where we going tonight? >> All right. Two years ago, you told me we were going going to go you were going to let me take you and your wife out to dinner and it hasn't happened yet. So, we do that, man. >> That's my bad. I mean, Lisa's saying, "When are we going out to dinner with Kyle?" And I keep stalling. >> All right, I'll get on it. What's going on? >> You're Listen, you're a bit you're a busy guy. I'll give you a break. >> I'm jam. >> So, I sold this stock at about 25 last September and I'm thinking about hopping back in it. I know that uh they're still doing they're they're still buying back shares, but I'm worried that uh Elon's gonna got to put them in the coffin. Uh what do you think about Lyft? >> I think Elon's going to put him in No, I think Lyft, look, that's Richer. I think Richer does a good job. I like the last quarter. I like the last year, but the problem is is people have just, you know, they just it's it's a churn stock. 17. It's like SoFi. 175 15. Oh, look, I'll Kyle. I'll explain it to you when we go out to dinner. How about that? Let's go to Sam in Pennsylvania. Sam, >> Jim, I wanted to highlight UBS is after their merger with Credit Swiss, the stock is up over 100% and I think it's really interesting to hear the company making a pivot towards wealth management. See, the market tends to reward their earnings coming from wealth management higher because it's predictable and reoccurring. So, I'm curious what you think of UBS with their 7 trillion in assets under management as a buy for, >> you know, I haven't looked at UBS, frankly. I mean, yet I knew about the pivot. Uh, but you know what? That sounds like an interesting story. I mean, UBS used to be the cream of the crop. Let's take a look at it. We need to do work to fulfill what Sam is talking about. Let's go to Susie in California. Susie, >> hey Jim, I'm calling from the home state of my beloved LA Dodgers. >> I don't understand baseball teams, but >> good. Good. Hey, I've been a longtime viewer, too, since 2006. >> Excellent. >> Question about >> Thanks. Love you, man. Right now the banks and financials are struggling. I'm calling by the credit card company you recommended and today Yahoo discussed it in the finance division giving a variety of statistics that basically show it looks like most things are going up because I don't understand what it's saying but they talked about net revenue being less but you know minus 5.9 cents five 5.9%. And I don't know what most of these items mean, but finally they said this stock is expected to mirror the overall market performance in the near future. What does this all mean? And when do you see a turnaround for Capital One this year? >> Oh, Capital One. Okay. I'm I'm bet. No, no, I'm looking for the 20 on the 20th. That's what I said today at the club meeting. Look, Capital One's Richard Fairbank. He's he's money and the stock has not done much lately at all after they merged with Discover. I think it's about to take off, but I got to tell you, it's the ones that people like. They like Mastercard and they like Visa. no credit exposure and really really good growth. But I'm still I'm hanging with Capital One. I just hope I don't get hung by Capital One. All right, listen to me. I've been tell Thank you for watching for a long time. I've been telling you to stay diversified for I don't know how long. I hope that rang true for you and you didn't get thrown out of the game, but I can't tell cuz then you probably wouldn't be watching anyway. Oh man, money tonight. Swab's earnings might have bucked the narrative that AI is coming for the financial advisory sector. I'm digging in the number see what they tell us. and some analyst upgrades of two retail stocks and got me doing a double take on this sector. Don't miss my take on VFC Corp. And no, I'm not going to tell you a second one. And the consumer package good stocks have been mounting a comeback lately, so I should be adding the portfolio. Well, I'm telling you where I come down. So stay with Kramer. >> Don't miss a second of MadMoney. Follow Jim Kramer on X. Have a question? Tweet Kramer #madmentions. Send Jim an email to madmoney@cnbc.com or give us a call at 1800743CNBC. Miss something? Head to madmoney.cnbc.com. Charles Schwab just can't seem to catch a break. This morning, the retail brokerage firm with a sideline in banking and wealth management reported what I thought was a pretty strong quarter. Yet, the stock initially plunged over 5% before bouncing off its lows and finishing the session down 2.7%. What can I even say about this stock? It feels like Schwab never gets the benefit of the Dow stock got slammed in 2023 during the mini banking crisis. Even though it had limited exposure to the problems that were bringing down various banks, it's a broker for heaven's sake and it just didn't have that kind of exposure. Earlier this year, it was weighed down by AI displacement worries as though Claude is going to vibe coat some kind of alternative brokerage software. Then once these AI displacement fears faded, the stock spent a couple of months flying higher. Now we're hearing that Meta's Muse AI agent could help customers shift their cash away from Schwab's lower interest accounts. This morning, I spoke to Carl Contin about how these muse worries had crushed the stock. I told him I was skeptical that Schwab's clients would be willing to hand all the banking details to any AI platform. I think this is just like what happened with to the stock when Silicon Valley Bank collapsed or during the initial AI displacement selloff. Back in March of 2023, I recommended Schwab in the mid50s because the whole thing seems so stupid to me. Schwab had a tiny banking business that was not at all comparable to the kind of banks that were going under. By April of 2024, the stock was back to the 70s. This is a Rodney Dangerfield name that consistently gets no respect, but often that creates terrific buying opportunities. So, let's talk about the quarter. Even though Schwab delivered a modest 3cent earnings speed off 666 basis with 29% growth, the revenues came in a tad light up 17%. Clients brought in record new assets, too. But investors wanted reassurance about deposits and net interest income, and they didn't get that. Suave's net interest margin, the spread between what they pay for deposits and what they charge for loans, came in at 3.04%. Wall Street was looking for 3.11%. Bank deposits a little light, but total net new assets, what I care about, came in much better than expected. Core net new assets are up 38%. SWAB's attracting plenty of money, just not in the form of cheap deposits. Right now, everyone's worried that AI agents will keep putting pressure on net interest margins for the whole financial industry, Swab included. If customers move cash out of lowpaying accounts, these guys lose cheap funding. But the stock got clobbered in these same AI displacement fears early this year and they never really came to anything. CFO Mike Veshi addressed that directly on the call, quoting, "This is not cash sorting in any way." End quote. That means they're not losing deposits to other institutions. He said, "Improving sentiment and IPO activity simply encouraged clients to put their cash into the market. Management also expects seasonal cash inflows later in the fourth quarter." I like that. At the same time, customers really want to borrow. Margin loans reached 187.9 billion. That's up 93% while bank loans increased 35% to 72.3 billion. Now, I'm not crazy about that margin number. Borrowing money to buy stocks is for hedge funds, not individuals. Too dangerous for me. Still, it is very good business for Schwab. On the other hand, loan growth here has outpaced deposit growth, forcing Schwab to find alternative sources of funding, which isn't cheap when you're in a high interest rate environment. That's why management's fullear revenue forecast was at the lower end of the previous range. Although expenses were also near the low end. Management said fourth quarter net interest would be at the low end of the 3.25 to 3.30 range that they predicted in July. So all right. So the guidance was flawed but not terrible. They didn't lower their earnings forecast. And keep in mind swap has already pulled back from 114 at its highs in late August to $94 and change today. Now a lot of that's because Wall Street's gotten carried away with this AI disruption angle again. I just don't see people letting AI agents independently move their money around. And that goes double when we're talking about people with real money. And SWAB has an answer of its own. Charlie, their in-house AI assistant that combines outside models with Schwab's information security controls. As for outside agents, today's conference call CEO Rick Worster was emphatic about unauthorized agents trying to log in for clients. Quote, "We are not going to allow that. We are already blocking it." End quote. In fact, hardly anyone's tried it. Customers can still act on AI recommendations, but these agents won't be running your account. There's also a difference between money sitting forgotten and money waiting to be used. When Worester came on CBC a couple weeks ago, he quote the idea that Schwab was full of idol cash incredibly misplaced, pointing to paychecks, dividends, interest payments, and stock purchases moving through accounts. On today's call, he said clients move nearly $4 trillion in cash each month. We're offered another observation. Traders using AI through swaps connections hold more cash than other active traders because they're preparing for the next investment. That doesn't prove AI will always benefit cash balances, but it undermines the assumption that AI use automatically drain Sch Swab's cash. And look, there's a reason total client assets increased by 15% this quarter. 1.2 million new brokerage accounts were open. Swab Wealth Advisory net flows increased 55%. Customers are committing more money to human advice. At the same time, investors are questioning whether AI will replace it. Doesn't look like it to me. Swabs other businesses are contributing to asset management and administration fees rose 14% ahead of expectations. Trading revenue increased 16%. Daily average trades jumped 44% from last year to 10.7 million even after cooling down a bit from the second quarter. Worester said AI has improved developer productivity by about 25% helping the company reinvest while controlling its cost. Schwab also repurchased $500 million of its own stock in the quarter. So far this year, they bought back nearly $4 billion worth of stock through September. That's impressive. There's still an opportunity in the securities portfolio. CFO Fashi says swap is roughly $190 billion securities yielding less than 2%. As those investments roll off, you better believe Schwab will get much higher yields. Plus, there's the valuation. At $94, SWAB trades at less than 15 times this year's earnings estimates and just under 12 times next year's numbers. That's pretty darn cheap given the numbers I'm putting up in that growth rate which runs rings around most of the major bank stocks. Here's the bottom line. Every time Wall Street counts Charles Schwab out, it's proven to be a great buying opportunity. I think it was wrong to sell the stock on AI displacement fur this spring and it's wrong to sell it on Metamuse's worries today. This is a franchise that's bringing in record new assets for heaven's sake. My only regret is that Schwab stock has already started rebounding off its lows. Hey, maybe it'll get hit again and give you a better entry point. I think this run will be every bit as grand as the last two I told you to get a piece of and I'm recommending it all by myself. Muse had nothing to do with money's back everywhere. >> Coming up, the consumer may be strapped right now, but Kramer's found two apparel stocks that could be set to run next. I'm always searching for new ideas and this week got not one but two of them practically came out of nowhere thanks to some very rigorous analyst upgrades. VF Corp and Contour Brands, a pair of apparel companies that I've been on the fence about. They both caught major upgrades this week. Yeah, these look very interesting to me. At a time of rising interest rates and rising oil prices, I rarely think, "Hey, let's get some apparel exposure." But these two just might be worth it. Let me walk you through them one by one to show you why I'm so intrigued. Come on. We'll start with VF Corp, which you may know as the North Face Vans, Timberland among a bunch of smaller brands, lots of outerwear and footwear. On Tuesday morning, VF Corp not not one but two upgrades. That in itself is pretty great tell. First, truis took the stock from hold to buy raising his price target from $14 to $20. At the time of the upgrade, the stock was just under 16 bucks. Then Piper Sandler took the stock from neutral to overweight, basically hold the buy again, and raised their price target from 16 to $20. It's the Piper upgrade that really moved me because this was in response to their annual teen survey. A fantastic piece of research that I always follow closely. If the teen survey says buy VFC, then I got to tell you my >> first though, let me explain the setup here. The FC Corp had a spectacular run last decade from 2009 to 2019. The stock soared from the high teens all the way to 100 at its intraday high on the first J trading day of 2020. Then CO hit and the stock well it just got obliterated before it came roaring back in late 2020 and early 2021. But for the next three years, VF Corp was just a miserable performer of pain. Like many other apparel companies, they got caught with their pants down when the world went back to normal and consumer tastes changed. In mid 2023, when the stock was back down to the teens, the board finally brought in a new CEO, Brack and Daryl, old fan of the show here, who created a tremendous amount of value in the long tenure at Logitech International, which is what he always came on for. However, even a great CEO can't turn around a damaged business overnight. For his first couple years, he was just trying to stem the bleeding, clean up the balance sheet by selling off underperforming brands. Just when it looked like VF Corp had found its footing. They got brutalized by the president's tariffs in the spring of last year. But the real problem here has always been Vans. This skateboarding sneaker brand fueled the stock's incredible gains in the 20 in the 2010s, but Vans peaked years ago and it's been losing market share ever since. In 2023, its constant currency sales growth was down 8%. 2024 down 25%. In 2025 was down 15% in the fiscal 2026 fiscal year. And in March, it was down 11%. By this point, fan sales have been nearly cut in half from the peak in fiscal 2022. Meanwhile, the North Face has been growing consistently for the past several years. Timberland's been putting up good numbers for a couple years now, too. But the weakness in Vans is an albatross around their neck. The last time VF Corp reported in July, Vans was still down 9% on a constant currency basis. I bring all this up because when Truist and Piper Sandler upgraded VF VF Corp on Tuesday, they both cited improvement from Vans. And remember, Piper's upgrade came from that all important teen survey. Teens are wearing Vans. Why are they so confident about this long-suffering sneaker brand? Piper's teen survey showed that non-athletic brands are growing in popularity. The age of athleisure, it's over. for Van specifically, after years of seeking in the ratings, it stabilized the number seven footwear brand for male teens in the latest survey and it moved up from number 10 to number nine among uh upper income male teens. Meanwhile, Pacson, a key retail partner for Vans, came in as the number four brand among upper income teens, up from number eight last fall and 13 in spring of 2025. And the skaters may be making a comeback. Of course, VF Corpse is more than just Vans. Timberline broke into the top 10 athletic footwear brands for all upper inome teens for the first time in the survey's history. Important. Finally, the Northace made the top 10 athletic clothing brands for upper income teens for the first time since the spring of 2024. It came in at number nine in the category. Beyond the teen survey, Piper called out two things. First, all three of VF Corp's top brands saw strong web and foot traffic in September. Second, they see Vans wholesale business improving in recent weeks thanks to a strong set of new products. Wholesale was horrific for Vans when VFC Corp reported in July. Put it all together and the Piper analysts led by uh Anna Andrea think that it's time to buy VFC Corp, which they say is quote off the lows but is still under owned end quote by elevated elevated short interest risers to boot people be betting against this thing. That sounds like a real mistake. All right, how about this truest upgrade? They make a similar argument just without the hard data from the teen survey. Both firms called out the valuation which makes sense since VFC Corp trades at just 16 times this year's earnings estimates well below the S&P 500 in the aggregate. In the end, Advance is finally improving then this one's in definitely a winner. Bracken Daryl we think in himself is indeed a winner. All right, now let's talk contour brands. The denim business that was actually spun off by VF Corp in 2019. They own Wrangler and Lee Jeans, although they're they're selling the Le brand for up to a billion dollars not too distant future. Last year, Contour bought Heli Hansen, the outdoor and workware brand that I call Hely H. Yeah, I was a big fan of that joke. I love the raincoats. Real thick slickers. Once again, this used to be a great stock before it peaked in early 2025. Ever since, the stock has struggled to find its footing, bouncing back and forth between the 50s and the 80s. The 50s and the 80s. Jeffrey's upgraded contour is part of a broader bullish call in the denim category, which has suddenly accelerated. I mean, Levi is a better trade on that though. The analysts at Jeffre think this is a new fashion trend that is legs similar to what we see with the recovery in Vans. Athleisure is out. Casualization 90s nostalgia are in. They see Levi Strauss and Contour as the big winners, which is why they upgraded Contour from hold to buy, raising their price target from 82 to 89. Pretty good for a stock that's trading in the low70s. Jeff likes the Wrangler business here and they love that Contour plans to do a $400 million accelerated buyback. should go about 10% of the market cap with the stock at just under 14 times earnings. That's a smart investment. I throw in that Hely Hansen is a fantastic growth brand totally unexploited that will become a larger piece of the pie the moment they close on that Lee Gene sale. Normally I'd hesitate to recommend apparel stocks at this point in the business cycle. But VF Corp and Contour they've come down dramatically from their highs and they're trading at depressed valuations. I think the environment is baked in. They are special situations with some immunity to the typical power cycle. The kind of stuff that went up today. So, here's the bottom line. These upgrades have changed my mind about VF Corp and Contour down here. I think they're both buys. All right, let's take some calls. Let's start with Lou in California. Lou, >> hello Jim. Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it. I followed you for years going back to your insightful commentary in 1996 in the street. >> Oh, question. >> Yeah, I was a longtime subscriber. >> Thank you. >> My question though is You're welcome. My question though is more about people than profits. Yesterday, Netflix announced layoffs of nearly a thousand employees, roughly 6% of its workforce, which is a big number, after already laying off some 450 people in 2022, Jim, and especially in these difficult times, how do you justify the devastating impact these layoffs have on loyal employees and their families? And at what point does maximizing shareholder value become more important than the lives of the very people who helped create that value in the first place? >> Well, I'll tell you, Lou, um, having started a lot of business and unfortunately having laid off a lot of people and also hire people, I mean, a lot of people, sometimes you have to do it. I think that Netflix, uh, they're they've got different technology. They're a very smart company. if they feel these people can be replaced, I think they're going to do it because their stock's down and because they people feel they haven't been doing that well. I hear you. I mean, I the number of times I've had to fire people uh because I had to save the institution because the institution had to be preserved is great. You may say, "Well, Netflix, come on. They're making a lot of money, but they're under pressure like a lot of other companies and they're doing what they think is right. I hope they gave the people great severance packages." That could be the saving grace, but I I hear you. You got a big heart. Let's go to S in Florida, please. out. >> Jim, I want you to know you have the most knowledgeable and best show on television today. >> I have the best staff on television today and they make me look knowledgeable, but I thank you. I'm going to tell everyone in the staff that you said that and I really appreciate it. How can I help you, S? >> Jim, on October 28th, Jersey Mike has their earnings. I purchased it when you had the CEO on TV. The stock was around $24. It's come down a lot. Should I add more to my position now or should I wait? >> I believe in Charlie Morrison. This has been a bad tape, but suddenly the restaurants have caught fire. Uh Texas Roadhouse. Uh Cheesecake. Um Yum. I'm I'm sticking my neck out. Oh my god. But yes, I think you should buy some before they before they report. I think it's a very very good company. I'm going to go to Walter in Texas, please. Walter. Hey Jim. BOOYAH. >> BOOYAH. WALTER, WHAT'S going on? >> Uh, you got the whole Lindsay family here, Jim. We're first time, long time. We're big fans. >> All right, bud. Let's hit it. >> All right, buddy. Uh, in the spirit of high classa, you know, high quality diversification. We have a retailer we've been holding for a while. I just need to know if we need to keep holding it or transition something different, and that would be Home Depot. >> All right, I want you to keep holding it. I know that it's been a a source of pain for me at my travel trust. I was able to sell some much higher. It's been doing nothing of late, but it did have a good day today. It yields 3%. We get rates down. You saw what happens if rates come down today. You saw what can go on. This stock went up 4.5%. I think much better things are ahead for Home Depot. All right. But VF Corp and Contour have come down hugely from their highs. I think they're both by my there's much more mad money that I think some analyst upgrades are on the way for one former CBG darling. I'll explain why I think you should get in on the stock ahead of them. Then we didn't get all the questions we wished to when we were doing that investing club meeting today. So I'm taking some more market queries from club members. Hey, by the way, go to letter X under my name. You'll see the whole thing and all your call or you can li sign up for it. All your calls rapid fire tonight's edition of the lightning round. So stay with Kramer. Let me tell you the way Wall Street analysts work. Wall Street hires analysts in order to get stock business and investment banking business. Analysts cover groups of companies making often powerful calls on what they think are the best ones. Unlike many of my contemporaries, I actually think analysts do a pretty good job. They keep you up on companies, especially when they report earnings. If there's a weakness is that they feel compelled to stay relevant. What does it mean to stay relevant in an investment house? You need newness. You need somebody that can grab sales people and get them to make calls to customers. Both the regulars and the people who've been lukewarm to the firm. Their calls can help you open accounts too. Something new is worth to talk about. So, if you're an analyst who wants to boost your career, you find a stock that no one of any import is sponsoring and you pound the table on it. You make it yours. I bring this up because I think that's about to happen with the stock of Kimberly Clark. For years and years, Kimberly Clark, not Proctor Gamble, not Colgate, was the star of what we call the consumer package goods cohort. It was an innovator, catering killer, ever a Kleenex, and a serial dividend booster. But over time, this company lost its way and became a much less competitive force with a not so beautiful balance sheet and unwieldy international strategy at a time when the rest of the industry was killing it overseas. Then seven years ago, Kimberly Clark appointed Mike Shu, CEO, giving him a mandate to clean things up and get some growth going. Took a long time because there was a lot to fix. But even then, the company didn't have the growth that Wall Street was hoping for. Then in 2025, Shu decided to buy Ken View, which is J&J's old consumer health business. He got a great price because Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. kept claiming that Tylenol, one of Ken View's biggest brands, may be linked to autism. As far as I know, there's zero evidence for this. But Kenny just wouldn't stop. stock got hammered and that's when Kimberly Clark stepped in getting a great price especially since they're primarily paying for chem with their own stock. The two companies agreed to the merger almost a year ago but it's been held by regulators across the globe. One by one they've been satisfied with China just giving approval yesterday. Brazil gave it unconditional approval this evening. That's the last big one left. I think this deal is actually now within I I got line of sight for maybe a couple weeks of closing. Can view stock will disappear in two weeks or 3 weeks. I think that's when it's going to happen and then you can own these well-known brands under the Kimberly umbrella. Why do we like this deal? Because J&J didn't really care for its slower growing consumer products or who cares about Tylenol when you have so many fast growing prescription drugs. You know, I like J&J. Uh and that is why J&J spun off canv. But the newly independent company didn't really have a club store or e-commerce strategy which caused almost immediately be attacked by multiple activist shareholders who campaigned successfully for sale. For Kimberly Clark is a perfect fit. That's why shoes swooped in. Now that the deal's on the verge of closing, I think the analyst will fall all over themselves to recommend this newly exciting company with great brands that everybody knows probably in your medicine chest. There's a lot of runway among the analyst community here. There are seven outs with a hold, one with a sell, and only three among the large firms that recommend buying it. That is perfect analyst Tinder. Plus, the company reaffirmed its guidance today, cementing that there will still there won't be any more disappointments like we've had. The last three quarters have just been okay to not that great. And that's why the stock fell to the mid 90s, closed today at 104. It traded 123 a year ago, so I don't think you've missed much. Still yields about five. That's why we pushed investing club members hard on the on Kimberly Clark at our monthly call today. I'm all set to hear the maleless sound of hold it by Kimberly. I'm betting the sales people will love it, too. They'll finally have a new name to replace Proctor and Gamble, which just had a monster run. At this point, they want something fresh that's also cheaper. Kimberly's waiting for a champion. I think it will find one within the Fortnite. Here's the bottom line. This is just how the street works. Now, go try to make some money from it. Not as a trade though, as an investment because I'm confident these Kimberly Clark upgrades are coming and you want to get in ahead of them. Bad Money's back after the break. >> Coming up, he's the fastest mind on Wall Street, so we're putting him to the test with your help. Bring on the lightning round next. >> It is time. It's the white horse and then the lightning round is over. Are you ready? The light round with rich in Texas is rich. Hey Jim, the market punished this company for losing unprofitable traffic from Google, but I think it should be rewarded for its profitable monetization of its native user base. Is it time to sell or double down on Reddit? >> I want to buy Reddit. I think the stock is inexpensive. stocks down really badly this year and I think it's at a great price. Let's go to Mary in Idaho. Mary, >> hi Jim. How are you this Thursday? >> I am doing well. How about you? >> Not too bad, thank you very much. Um, the stock I want to ask you about is one I've held for oh, four or five years and have watched it go up and a little down and a little more up. But I'm wondering with the market volatility and instability right now um if I should continue to hold on to it or I might be better uh somewhere else. It is Exxon. XM >> Exon. Okay. I think Exxon's good. I think Chevron's better. I would make that swap unless you have some tax implications. CBX is the better way to go. Let's go to Robert in Tennessee. Robert >> Jim, appreciate taking my call. My question is about rocket lab after yesterday's announced neutron delay to 2027 and the most recent selloff in the last few weeks. >> Does the success of the electron rocket acquisition and $2.3 billion launch backlog still justify purchasing right now? >> Well, I thought that that launch would the the failure to launch would have hurt it more and I think you're getting a great opportunity to sell. All right, let's go to Bob in New York. Bob, >> Jim, now that we're entering a rising rate uh situation, and last night you said if the war in Iran ends, oil would drop down possibly to $50 a barrel. My question is, why do I want to keep this stock rather than selling it right now? And that's Enterprise Products because they they do natural gas liquids, they do fractionate, they are are the other part of the equation, not oil. You're fine on that one. Uh, as a matter of fact, I think that that one is be Yeah, take advantage of it because it's getting hit as if it is going to get hurt. It's not. Let's go to Mike in Florida. Mike, >> hey Jim, how you doing? >> I'm doing well. How are you, Mike? >> Good. Good question. SITM, they just recently got through acquisition, new product line, and in demand. What's your outlook on them? >> All right, look, it's expensive, and I'm not recommending any expensive stocks in tech or out of tech. And I think that even though I think that's a very well-run company, I just can't support a high multiple stock and a rising rate environment. Let's go to John in Texas. John, >> hey Jim, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to say Joe Bird, this market's kind of treating me like the Eagles right? >> Well, this they got to find they got to get got to find some players. That's a key thing. They need a quarterback. They need a running back. They need a wide receiver. Otherwise, they're fine. Oh, no. They need a right tackle. They need a left tackle. They need a center. Just a sec. They're okay. But wait a second. I think in a second. You know what I'm talking about. How can I help you? >> It only gets worse. But I'm a newbie. I was kind of impressed with a coherent stock. I bought the dip. I think I got the wrong one. I was up. >> No, no, no. Coherent's good. Coherent is good. Momentum is good. And Corning is best. Don't feel like that. Look, right now we're in the midst of a of a scare about what's going to happen at data center, but there is no doubt about it that copper is going to be replaced by fiber. That's just an evolutionary change that your company's going to benefit from. Let's go to Ann and I in Indiana. Ann. >> Yeah, Indiana. Not one of those other eye states, Jim. Man, >> no kidding. I hate those states. >> Now, now I got distracted. Okay, I have a Valero just as a trade. Never got a full >> Now, Valero, you understand? This is the riskiest trade in the world. This thing is a double or nothing trade from here. If you continue to get this big crack spread because the war, you're going to make money. And if you don't, then Blair is going to go back to what it always used to be, which is kind of a stock that does very little, if not nothing. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is conclusion of the Lightning Round. The Lightning Round is sponsored by Charles Schwab. Coming up, did Kramer not get to your question at today's club meeting? Fear not, he's answering some more next. Over the last week, the AI and data center rally has been put on pause. And with all this volatility, especially in tech, we're going to take a step back and answer your questions concerning this market and your portfolios. Now, earlier today, we held our investing club monthly meeting. That's where Jeff Marks and I get together to walk club members through our decision-making process for the portfolio. It's so exciting. I'm not kidding. We discuss our current holdings. Then we take questions from club members. My favorite part of the meetings is taking questions from you. But since we never have time to get to all of them, I'm going to give you an inside look right now at what happens at that monthly meeting. Uh we're also going to do some much needed market advice. By the way, if you want to be a part of the next monthly meeting, I really do want you. You got to join the club. Just scan this QR code behind me or go to cmbbc.cominvestingclub. I am passionate about this people. Let me help you be the best investor you can be. Why don't we start with Al who says I've been a founding member and love this club. Hey, thanks Al. Given bond yields are rising, what is the best way for us individual investors to buy bonds? Okay. Well, look, we are stock people. All right. Uh and when bond yields are are rising, you I buy I actually go buy bonds, but they're actually for it's sizable. And you what you're really going to do if you just want to get to track this is you have to want to get the cash reserve at a I'm not going to be any more specific than that at a typical fund. All right? Because you're not going to get the same rate, but you're going to get near it. There are CDs. Your bank may have CDs that have that rate. That's the single best way. But you constantly have to check because they go back and forth and they sometimes they have them, sometimes they don't. It's not my fault, but I got to tell you, I think CDs are terrific. Next we have Bernie from Ohio who says Buckeye Booyatt Jim and kudos to Jeff and the club staff. Thank you. On many occasions you have mentioned builder first source is a top tier player in the home builder space with builders crushed by rates and builders for source down 60% guy. Is it time to shovel up some builders as it digs a new subb? No. No it's not done because if you really think that the Fed is going to change its view you want to buy Home Depot. Now that's what I said at the meeting today. said, "Home Depot is the single most levered to rates stock I have ever found. Uh, you get a yield while you're waiting. It's a well-run company. Home Depot, go buy it. You're not going to make any money until rates change, but then when they do, in two or three days, you'll make everything you're going to make for the whole year." Now, we have Jeff from New Jersey who asks, "When does a speculative investment become just an investment? What metrics should we use?" The reason I'm asking is I have two speculative investments, Hinge Health and Cabba. Both of which I've taken out 110% of my original investment. So I'm playing with the house's money. First, congratulations, Jeff. That's exactly what we want. Okay, Hinge is actually not speculative at all. It's just a fantastic business model and I think the company's headed the stock is headed much much higher. I really like them had them on. I think Cabba is really good, but remember it is restaurants and restaurants are inherently more speculative than something like Hinge which has this great recurring revenue. Uh, Cabba goes up and down, up and down. That said, I think Cabba for the long term is going to do fine. Neither one of them is speculative from the sense that I think I'm worried about the balance sheet. How now, how about we go to Ellen from Georgia who says, "Thanks for all you and the team do. I white knuckled the SAS apocalypse with Microsoft this past year with the stock up more than 50% from its June lows, but analyst price targets still indicating further upside potential. How would you recommend managing his position heading into earnings? This stock is barely up. Okay. And it's incredibly wellrun and I expect very big numbers, particularly from Azure. Here's how you handle for earnings. Just let it run. Last but not least, we have Walt who asks, "I'm retired and I've owned Oracle for several years at a gain. Is it time to pull the plug and sell? The stock's been Holly Volley lately, and I'm just not sure Oracle remain a major AI player a few years from now. Thanks. PS, my wife says that if we ever get a cat, we name it Kramer. Is that okay with you?" It's suboptimal. All right. So, listen to me. Tomorrow, you're going to sell 50% of the Oracle. The stock was up really big. I can't even believe it was up. You got really, really lucky. You get let the rest run. If it does go up, I think, you know, God bless you. This is not a stock that I think you should own. I like to say there's always more market somewhere. I promise I find just for you right here on Man Money. I'm Jim Kramer. See you next time. All opinions expressed by Jim Kramer on this podcast are solely Kramer's opinions and do not reflect the opinions of CNBC or its parent company or affiliates and may have been previously disseminated by Kramer on television, radio, internet, or another medium. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Kramer as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. Kramer's opinions are based upon information he considers reliable, but neither CNBC nor its affiliates or subsidiaries warrant its completeness or accuracy, and it should not be relied upon as such. To view the full MadMoney disclaimer, please visit cnbc.com/madmoney disclaimer.