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The energy market is moving again, but is it
still a good time to be thinking about these as long-term investments? Joining us today is one of
our energy experts, Mark Likenfeld with the Oxford Group. Mark, so glad to have you back on the
show. I know you've been on a few times talking about energy over the last year or so. The last
time we had you on talking about energy stocks, was the very start of March, which was also the
start of this Iran conflict that's really been moving the energy market ever since. So, let's
talk about uh from the start of that conflict to what seems to be a move towards peace or at least
that's what we hope. How do you think the the oil market and the energy market could be reacting to
to what's going on geopolitically right now? Well, it's interesting. It's almost as if the oil market
um is is really discounting a lot of the headline news. So, for example, about a week ago, the
president, as he often did, announced that they were close to a peace deal. But then the following
day, violence continued and there was some more bombing uh for the first time in a while actually
and oil prices actually sold off a little bit. So it it seems as if at this point it is, you know,
truly the the the financial fundamentals that are driving oil prices as opposed to simply
headlines. And I think what it means is, and you're probably very aware of this, as as are
your viewers, that even once peace is achieved and they open up the straight, it's not like you just
flick on a switch and suddenly all the oil is back in the refiners and and everything goes back to
normal. It's going to take months and months for everything to to return to somewhat normal levels.
So I think that is what the oil prices are pricing in and that they could certainly come down as a
result of peace, but I don't think we're going to go back to the $50, $60 oil that we were
at, you know, 6 months ago or what have you. And that is why we are going to be looking
at three different oil energy related stocks, new names to talk about today, and why now
is an interesting time to be looking at them, especially as a potential long-term investment
for your portfolio. We'll get into those three names in a minute, but I want to talk about the
three energy stocks that you talked about back in March when we had you on the show talking
about energy and how well those three names have done in the market since then, even with the
pullback that we've seen in energy the last week. Let's talk about those names. I mean, the the
performance has been really great. It's really no surprise because we have seen oil prices rising
and investors starting to pay more attention to energy after the sector really had been beaten
up for quite some time. So, u yeah, Enterprise Products Partners uh has performed very well and
they just reported a strong first quarter. Again, not too surprising. Uh distributable cash flow is
up 5%. uh they they easily cover their dividend. They have a really nice dividend yield as you know
I like dividends. Uh so they have a 5.8% dividend yield and and that uh distributable cash flow is
almost double of what they pay out. So it's it's not going to be any problem for them to continue
to pay and raise their dividend as they have done for over 20 straight years. Right? That one had
solid performance since we talked about it back in March. The other two names that we talked about,
if you look at the charts, you can see right after that, both stocks uh spiked significantly
again just in a two-month period. At one point, uh APA that you talked about was up over 37%
before it started to pull back. It's still up almost 15% and again, that's just in a 60-day
timeline. So, let's talk about what about those names? Is it just the Iran conflict that that
boosted those so well in a short period of time or are there other fundamentals that you're looking
at when recommending these energy stocks? Yeah, so uh APA and Marathon Oil, those are the other two.
Uh so those were are really margin stories. Uh APA has been cutting their capital expenditures. It's
expected to cut by about 10% this year. uh and marathon oil also uh refineries when oil prices
are volatile and and especially going higher their margins increase and so naturally as these
oil prices are growing uh that's really boosting these companies margins now even if oil prices
were not spiking or hadn't spiked back when it did I really like these because these were going to be
you know margin increase stories uh and so anytime a company is able to to grow their margins that's
positive and Then when oil prices increase that just you know compounds the margin expansion as
well. So that's that's what I really liked about them. And even if oil prices didn't rise I think
there's still really good stories. APA of very very good value. It's still trading below seven
times forward earnings. So really really cheap stock and and I think there's a lot of potential
still left in in these names regardless of whether oil prices uh you know continue to rise. they
fall, obviously rising oil prices will be better for these stocks and their businesses, but the
fact that they are growing their margins, uh, is is really important. Yeah, that leads me into
what we're going to be talking about with the new list you have and these other three names that you
talked about. We can see they're all on a pullback right now. So, share a little bit about your your
thought process on on getting into these energy and oil stocks right now when we're starting to
see that pullback and the potential for a pullback in oil prices if that does happen. I think
what's important here is is when the war started, prices spiked. Yeah, people quickly turned to
energy stocks, but generally speaking, everyone is still so focused on technology for good reason.
Technology stocks have been white hot, but it's going to be the energy companies that allow all
these tech companies to run in the future. I mean, they're expecting uh about 3 and a.5% annual
increases in the demand for electricity in the United States through 2030. That's actually
a quite a big number when you think about electricity demand. It's kind of like, you know,
thinking about the the picks and shovels idea, which goes back to the gold mining days where
certainly some people struck gold and and got to shout Eureka, but it was the companies or
the businesses that were selling the picks, the shovels, the Levis's jeans, uh, that were
the ones that really made a lot of money. So, with technology, with AI, I I see energy
as kind of that picks and shovels business. Yes, the technology is exciting. There's
is going to be money to be made there, no doubt. But you're going to need energy and a
lot of it in order to fuel these businesses and allow these data centers to run. Yeah, this is one
of the biggest bottlenecks in the market right now for actually making that AI work. So that the tech
that everyone's so excited about depends on energy and we haven't seen some of these names rise as
quickly as the demand that's out there would show that they should anyway. So, we're going to get
into these three names that you're looking at now that no matter what happens with the conflict or
the price of oil, there's still a ton of potential in these names, and right now, they seem to be
pulling back. Another benefit of all of the stocks that Mark and his team at the Oxford Club look at
is these are great long-term investments because of the dividend. As Mark already mentioned, he
is absolutely uh a huge proponent of dividends. And he has a special report he's offering for
free just for our market beat viewers today. This is the top 12 dividend stocks that he
recommends for the people in his program. So, you can scan the QR code or click the link in
the description to get that free report right now from Mark and his team at the Oxford Club. All
right, Mark, let's get into your list now. The new list of energy stocks for today. What's the first
company that you're looking at? So, the first one is Hallebertton and it has the lowest yield of the
stocks that I'm talking about. So, 1.7% yield. So, you know, you're not investing in this one, you
know, just for the dividend, but it does have a, you know, a nice little dividend to go along with
the capital appreciation. Uh, the stock's been in a really nice uptrend all year. So, it hasn't
just been the spike in oil prices from, you know, a few months ago that have been responsible
for the the stock's gains. It's it's just in a nice steady uptrend. And I love stocks that are
just kind of slowly climbing up and to the right. uh that that's kind of a very sustainable move
versus, you know, something that just spikes higher uh and that you hope will will continue. Um
they have increased activities outside the Middle East. So they're they're not, you know, they're
not reliant on the Middle East. Uh they do a lot of work in the United States and offshore of the
United States. So that's really important because you certainly want to diversify your risk and not
be super concentrated in the Middle East. They are involved with fracking in the US and we know that
the president and the industry and Americans want oil and gas coming out of the ground in America,
especially after what we just saw in the straight of Hormuz. It's more important than ever that
we're self-reliant in our oil supply. So, uh, now to be clear, they provide the equipment,
the personnel for the oil drillers. So they are not the the Exxon Mobile that are are pulling
the the the oil out of the ground. They're the ones providing the equipment to do it. So as
long as all the big oil drillers are doing that uh they have to get their equipment from somewhere
and they get it from companies like Hallebert and uh their earnings are projected to grow 23%
uh this year uh to $2.91 a share and then another 15% in 2028. So uh this is a very much
an earnings grower and they're only trading at 16 times earnings. And if you think about it,
if this traded just up to 20 times earnings, which is not an exorbitant value, and if
they earned, let's say, just $3 a share, um, which is is less than the the concessance estimate
for 2028, you know, then we're talking about a $60 stock. So, it would be a really nice move.
It's not a double or a triple in a couple years, but it would be a pretty impressive move for
a big company uh over the next two years. Yeah, this is really a picks and shovels play in
the oil and gas sector as well. Like you said, they provide the equipment that's needed. And we
had some guests on the channel uh just a week ago who were talking about rig count numbers and
how this is the first time in in over four years that we've seen the number of new oil
rigs being built in the US increasing. So, exactly what you mentioned of of that that move
towards onshoring more of our oil supply to the US means that there's more money going into
building these rigs. The big oil companies are making that investment and even if the the the
oil story and oil prices change, that investment's already underway, which means Hallebertton will
be getting paid. Right. Absolutely. And you know, these things typically lag a little bit. So as
oil prices are high naturally oil companies want to drill more so they get into these contracts
with Hallebertton and other companies when oil prices decline it takes a little while. So even if
pieces achieved even if oil prices fall it's not going to be like suddenly the switch is turned off
for companies like Haliber and these things take a long time. They're they're they're pretty long
cycles. So uh I do like this for the short term as well as for the long term. Yeah, let's talk about
the recent volatility. Really just like you said, it's been up and to the right for quite a while
over the whole last year. It's up uh over 90ome percent for a large company. That's a really good
year increase. But let's talk about the pullback and the volatility it's seen really around these
headlines with Iran and what's happening with that conflict and in oil prices. Uh do you think it's
a nice entry point? Could we see even more of a pullback as more headlines come out over the
next few days and weeks? Um yes to both. Uh I do think it's a good entry point. I think it's
very very difficult to time the market whether the market or an individual stock. Certainly
there's some technical indicators you can look at things like supports and resistances. But
if if you're trying to base it on headlines uh you know very often the market will do the
unexpected and so peace could be achieved and and theoretically oil prices should fall on that
news. Doesn't always work that way. So it's very very difficult to say well when there's a peace
deal oil prices are definitely going to come down and this is the effect it's going to have on these
stocks. I think you you want to look at them uh especially these kinds of stops for the long term
because of as we discussed how in demand energy is going to be even forgetting AI for a second you've
got an increasingly wealthy global population more and more people you know millions and millions
of people entering the middle class all over the world so you would need more energy for that
now you layer in AI on top of that and the demand for energy long term is going to be very very
strong. So I I think it's a good time to enter now. You could always you know position size put
in you know half a position or a quarter position scale in at some point but I don't think you want
to miss this opportunity in case uh you know this this uptrend continues and lifts off from here
because again this stock is in an uptrend. It has not it has not broken. If if the stock had rolled
over, I would say, yeah, maybe let's wait a little bit and and see uh if we can get in cheaper,
but right now that's not the case at all. Yeah, Hallebertton, a great company to look at. Again,
more of the picks and shovels side of the oil and energy story. Let's move on to the second stock in
your list, and this is a different side of oil for sure. Uh yeah, so uh Chevron. So, they are the
kind of company that would employ Hallebertton. So, one of the major oil producers out there.
really nice yield, 3.9% dividend yield. They've been raising it forever. I really like the fact
that they have exposure to Venezuela. Uh they, you know, somewhat of an untapped market. Uh and and
they're pretty much first in line in Venezuela. They've had operations there, uh for a while.
Right now, you know, Chevron is is clearly one of the giants. They produce about 4 million barrels
of oil per day. Uh which is between like four and 5% of the world's production every single day.
That's a a major major number. Uh so, you know, they're a very very big player. Obviously, they uh
complete an acquisition of Hess in 2025. You know, there's there's a lot of things to like there,
but what I really really like here is that it gives them one of the highest margin oil fields
in the world off the coast of Guyana. So it's it's the one of the lowest cost and highest uh highest
yielding uh oil fields. So that's going to boost their margins, their earnings, their cash flow.
Uh they recently signed a deal to supply uh gas to Microsoft data centers in Texas. So not only
are they just a giant, you know, oil producer, uh they're also in that getting into the AI game
as well with, you know, one of the the biggest players that are out there. um less than 5% of its
production is in the Middle East. So really love the fact that they are not reliant on that part of
the world either. And pretty reasonable valuation trading at 13 times forward earnings and seven
times forward free cash flow. Generally speaking, I I like companies that are trading at 10 times
or less cash flow, free cash flow. Uh and they're trading at seven times free cash flow. So
it's a pretty good valuation at this point. Yeah, I think one of the biggest growth factors
you mentioned there that is so interesting is that they're having a direct partnership with
Microsoft, one of the major hyperscalers out there. So there's many investors who are not
counting in oil and gas energy companies as a part of filling that you know huge electricity
demand that we're having and the huge power demand that we're having. But it does have to come from
somewhere and I do think that a lot of companies are getting creative with using the traditional
energy methods we have, oil being one of them. uh to fulfill the needs that these data centers
are having. So I think that could potentially be a good growth driver for not only Chevron but other
other companies in this field as well. I want to talk about timeline. So a lot of investors who
are interested in tech are seeing these tremendous overnight returns right up 200% in a month
from massive growth stories in the tech sector. I don't think you're going to get that kind of
overnight success with Chevron, but what kind of long-term growth horizon do you see and a timeline
for growth and uh growing your portfolio, not only from the stock, but also from the dividend yield
on a company that's solid like Chevron? Yeah. So, I don't have a specific price target or return.
I do expect it to outperform the market. This is, you know, one of those you put in the portfolio
and five years from now, 10 years from now, you look back and it's one of those stocks that have
really compounded and and helped move the needle in your portfolio. So, you know, this is not, like
you said, a tech stock that's going to explode higher. Uh, it's it's it's a it's a nice solid
steady as she goes long-term growth story. And as retail investors, I think that you it's exciting
to pay attention to those explosive growth tech stories or the space stories that are seeing
that explosive growth right now. But I think this video is so important right now in the timing
because you also have to have some diversification with some of these more solid companies that are
continuing to see that slow growth and success over time that even with headlines like what's
happening with the conflict right now, um they won't massively impact a stock like this. It's
still very solid. has the solid books like you talked about. So I think it's great to remember
names like this one. Yeah. And this is I you know this would also I would consider this a defensive
name as well. So right now market is is on fire. Everything looks wonderful. It's not going to stay
that way forever. As we know markets, you know, bare markets are just a part of the regular cycles
of of bulls and bare markets. Eventually that's going to occur. We're going to have a downturn
at some point. And having a a quality defensive dividend growth company like Chevron in the
portfolio can really help, you know, steady the portfolio if some of your more speculative names,
some of the the higher momentum and growth names start to take a hit. Having a stock like Chevron,
you makes it a little bit easier to weather the storm. Yeah, I think that's such great advice for
investors to keep in mind. And I like that we're talking about it now when a lot of the market
is booming. So often we do videos like this or people want to hear videos like this when there's
we're in the middle of a crash, but I think now is a time to be talking about those names, just
preparing for the inevitable because you're right, the market cannot go up and to the right forever.
We can't see explosive growth forever. There will naturally be some pullbacks and corrections at
some point. So a great name to talk about. Now, if you are interested in more names like this,
those solid dividend companies that can help, you know, support your portfolio through whatever
the market brings over the next few months, make sure to check out Mark's free report with the top
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today. All right, Mark, let's get to this last energy stock that you are looking at. And this is
not quite as popular of a name as Chevron. Anyway, yeah, and this is kind of the the opposite
of Chevron. This is a bit more speculative, has more momentum on its side, and that's
Hannon Armstrong Sustainable Infrastructure, uh, ticker symbol HSI. And this is a company
that lends money to, uh, renewables projects. So, solar and wind. And what I find fascinating
about this stock and and the sector, you know, quite frankly, is, you know, it's no secret
that President Trump has been coming after the renewables sector. He's he and the administration
are doing, you know, whatever is possible to shut down solar and wind projects. And yet, the sector
has been on fire this year. it is is completely shrugged off any kind of of policy that has been
aiming to to slow it down. Uh and and to me it it it makes all the sense in the world because
regardless of let's say short-term policy, we need all the energy that we can get and as as
we just you know talked about with AI coming on coming on board and and increasing um we need so
much more power and yes oil needs to be a big part of that and that's why we're increasing drilling
but to not think that solar and wind are going to be a part of that. We need all the energy we can
get. We need nuclear, we need oil, we need gas, we need solar and wind. Whatever we can bring
online to feed this beast is important. So I think the market clearly understands that regardless
of, you know, whatever is coming out of Washington and these companies are doing quite well and
they're and they're so a company like Hannah and Armstrong. So again, they're the the financiers of
these projects. So they're not building the solar, they're not collecting the revenue from solar,
they're simply collecting the interest from the companies that are building it. And their
their uh portfolio is is absolutely fantastic. They generate or they they pay out about a 4%
yield. This is a $6 billion market cap company, so not real big, 4% yield. Um the stock has nearly
doubled in a year, so it it does have momentum. Uh it's trading at less than 12 times its 2028
guidance. So really really cheap valuation despite the the big move in the stock. Uh they
raise money right now in the mid single digits meaning you know they're paying let's say five
to 7% uh to borrow money and then lending it out at about 10% roughly. Uh as interest rates go
up that you know that will move a little bit as well on both sides. They may actually see their
cost of borrowing go down because they just got some upgrades uh for their uh credit rating. So
they're now they are tripleB minus credit rating which is investment grade. So you know they're
a very very uh safe company if if you were going to buy the bonds. I'm I'm recommending the stock
but if you're going to buy the bonds that credit agencies are telling you this is a very very
safe company from a credit perspective. Earnings projected to grow double digits through 2028.
They very diversified portfolio. They have 1,300 uh different investments with 150 clients. Some of
those are very long-term contracts. A few of them are 30 years. So, you know, they can really count
on this cash flow to come in and and be able to, you know, pay the dividend. Uh hopefully raise
it going forward. And let's face it, if 2028, you know, winds change in Washington, then that
will be a huge tailwind for uh for this sector. uh and you know granted that's two years away but
that that is a potential catalyst for the sector and the stock. Yeah. That there's always changes
in Washington that could impact the energy sector because of policies. That is for sure. But I think
what you said is so true that uh no matter what policy is happening in Washington and which sector
of energy they're supporting more than the other. There's so much demand for energy right now that
all of them are winning. And there is room for all of these sectors of the energy market to do
well right now because the demand is so extreme. I think looking at these solar and wind projects
as a potential growth, clearly they're making money or they wouldn't be building more of them
right now. Um, is there a lot of competition out there or does this company really have a niche in
the market for funding these kinds of large-scale uh renewable energy projects? Uh, there is
competition, but they are certainly one of the most well-known of them. uh they focus on projects
in the United States and so uh you know being a publicly traded company also uh and and they have
access to capital um perhaps a little bit easier than than some private companies. So I would say
they're are I don't know if they're the 800 pound gorilla but they're they're a large gorilla in
the space for sure. Yeah. I also want to look at their earnings report really quick because
it was fairly recent just towards the start of May. It looks like they have some really strong
numbers coming in too. I know you touched on a few of those details already, but I think it's enough
to highlight too that there clearly the money is coming in for this company. Yeah, absolutely. They
they are generating uh great numbers. Like I said, they're they're paying this this nice dividend
yield. That dividend yield should grow over time. And the fact that they have this very high credit
rating means that their access to capital should be, you know, less expensive than many of their
competitors. So, I I really like that that fact. that their their cost of capital is likely much
lower than competitors. And I think that's a story that not a lot of people are talking about. Yeah,
for sure. This is a another unique name to look at in the energy sector. Less tied to the oil
price story that's currently in the headlines, too. Like you said, it's kind of a a quiet area of
energy to be looking at right now. Mark, another great list as always. Thank you so much for coming
on the show to share some of these. If you want to go back and watch that full energy video we
talked about in March for some more details on the three names we talked about early on in this
video, you can watch that full interview Here.