A new week, a new month. And after big tech earnings, investors are asking one question
what's next for the AI trade? Joining me now is Paul Meeks,
managing director and head of technology research at Freedom Capital Markets. Paul, welcome to the show.
So great to have you. With the senior Caroline. Thanks for having me. All right. So we are looking at Green Arrows
this morning. What do you think
has the correction in tech run its course. Or do investors
need to brace for another leg lower. You know Caroline
I think we're mostly out of the woods. You know, we do have a couple of important
quarterly earnings coming up even this week, particularly AMD. But I was actually surprised that despite pretty strong fundamentals
with the I infrastructure builders, and most of them
have reported their quarters and most of them have not only
reiterated guidance but raise guidance. So all is well. But what we have in this space
over the last couple of years, ever since the development of ChatGPT in late
2022, is we swing as a group of investors, from the pessimist
rain to the optimist rain. And so I expect that over
time, people will come back to these names as far as can we immediately bounce back
and can we sustain that bounce? Boy, I wish I do that. So now that we've heard from Big tech,
aside from Nvidia ranked your top three Meg seven stocks today, Paul. I would say today, I'm
a contrarian investor. I think over time, meta will indeed monetize its AI in one shape or form. I mean, this is a company
that in the history of global business, perhaps no other company has monetized
products better. And so I think with the, bludgeoning, which this stock got
when it reported its earnings and probably,
most bullish as a contrarian on meta. I also like what Google has to say
and what Amazon has to say. You know,
the stocks have run up a little bit, and maybe even Microsoft
with its come back. But I would say my number one is probably
meta is a concerning investor for the long term. What's number seven. Oh wow. Tesla. You know
I think Tesla is in, very deep trouble. And if you're a SpaceX shareholder,
if you like it or not, you will be forced, to own Tesla. And one of the things that despite
the fact that Elon Musk is a genius, he does, very poorly
performing assets into better assets. And so what we saw with Tesla recently is the EV
business is not necessarily in decline. As far as the number of units. The volumes were actually pretty good
last quarter, but the profitability in the cash
flow was nasty. And this is when these companies
have to spend even more on their own capital
expenditures. And so, I think Tesla shareholders
that stock can go down more. I think SpaceX, even though it's down
a lot from the IPO, could go down more. And so those would be the
number one on my hate list. And we will hear from SpaceX this week
with its first earnings report. Is there anything that Elon Musk could say
that would make you bullish on SpaceX. Or is that, just going to be a stay away
for now? Well, for me, it's a stay away from now
because I'm looking at the fundamentals. But we all know whether it's Tesla
or SpaceX or any company that, he's involved in, you know, it's
more of a cult than a fundamental story. And I actually believe
with the stock, coming down so steeply from its peak right after the IPO,
given the fact that he will, spring his sprinkle as fairy dust on it,
I bet the stock rallies. But I actually think SpaceX is probably, worth 60 to $70 a share. So that tells you, even from this low price, that I think it
could be cut in half again. But he will talk
about the wonderful things in the future. I bet the stock actually
rallies in the short term. Okay. It's rallying today. It's trading around $112 and shares
are still well off that IPO price. We haven't talked about Apple yet. We're kind of seeing a sea of green
today in tech. But Apple is not participating. It's it's down only about 1% today. And I know you've been
skeptical of Apple's AI strategy. So what does Apple have to prove before
you become more bullish there? You know, we've all been waiting. Well I haven't been bullish on the stock
in quite a while. I bought it years ago and just hold it because I also know
it's not going to go down. We're all waiting for
show me what you got. And I write the monetization. Now it looks to me like, you know,
they are going to leverage this trend through their iPhones and, you know, good for them, bad for them
because they don't have to spend the R&D. They don't have to spend
the capital expenditures on compute. But on the other hand,
they also lose control. And if all of their functionality is being delivered by somebody else's
R&D team, at some point, that side is going to demand
all the economics. And I think, Apple
will be in some trouble. Now. They start at the beginning of every day
with over a billion units, right? They have a very large installed base
that'll carry them for a while. But if you ever get a whiff that there is another device in addition to your iPhone that can bring you I in the future, and they lose their, walled garden status, that would be a lot of help pay. In the meantime,
you know, their, quarter, last quarter, the services business was disappointing. And the services business is
where you need to see them grow, because that's the higher margin business. The iPhone business,
always about 50 to 60% of revenues will wax and wane,
depending on product releases. But here's a company that gets a enormous
valuation even after the correction. And for many years, not recently, but
for many years, it's grown its top line and its bottom line at a much slower rate
than just the S&P 500. So I just don't I get it. Let's shift to some of the names that you do like, aside
from, Meta and Alphabet, maybe Microsoft. You recently upgraded several
AI infrastructure names to buy after the selloff. What stocks are you talking about
and what is Wall Street getting wrong? Yeah. So I took advantage of this correction
that you asked me about it. The, the top of the show,
to go from hold to buy and a number of nio clouds
and I colo companies. These are the folks that are building the data centers for the hyperscalers
and others. Some of them, when I initiated coverage,
went against the grain that had them in hold. So I got a lot of heat
because it wasn't by, like everybody else. But they've come in recently. So think of companies like, core. We see our V, Iran, IRS in the US and BIS, these are the major neo clouds. And then you have companies
that are I Kolos and these are companies that years ago built data centers to do Bitcoin mining, whether it was their own bitcoin mining
or hosting for somebody else. Now as that business has plunged, they're all transitioning their capacity
to support AI workloads. And there's a nice opportunity there. I'd say among that coverage list
my favorite is Applied Digital Applied. I also very, very
much like Flextronics Flex. This is a company
that's a contract manufacturer that's been around, believe it or not,
since 1969, but they're spinning off in the first quarter of calendar 27, their
I infrastructure business. And that will be a very exciting business
indeed. In the meantime,
flex has come way down in price. I'm really bullish on that one. And you know the streak typically follows
momentum right. When stocks are going up
they raise their price target. They love to talk about it. When stocks are going down
they're nowhere to be found. But I usually played
the other end of the trade okay. So just in terms of timing
I was taking a look at these names. Some have pretty significant year to date
gains already, but well off the highs. So it looks like most of them are well off
the highs that I checked. So still a buying opportunity today. Investors. Oh yeah yeah. And a couple of them
like I would say my favorites right now probably flex flex applied
digital appealed and core. We see our AWP. So as we think about I infrastructure why buy those names
instead of just an Nvidia? I like Nvidia too. I would buy Nvidia with both hands
every time it got to about 190 to 195 share price. I actually think that when you take a look
at the revenue backlogs now, when you have bookings,
they're great. But I guess they could be, even though they say their take or pay
contracts, you know, they always could be, eliminated or even renegotiated. But these companies, these nio clouds and I kolos, have very cheap valuations. They have revenue backlogs
that will cover them for years. And all these companies are going
from lower margins to much, much higher margins
as they build out. And I expect a inflection revenue
wise in these business. And I'm talking about most of these
companies, their revenue tripling or quadrupling as we get out
about 12 to 18 months from now. So I see a bigger pop in these names
versus Nvidia. But man, again, as I said,
if you can buy Nvidia at 190 to 195, please do it. You mentioned
some of the names that you don't like, but as you think about some of the other
AI winners that we've seen which look too crowded
or maybe too vulnerable right now. Yeah, I think some of the, same old, same old
that people have crowded into now, I felt that way a couple of weeks ago,
but they've all come down significantly, even though they've, rebounded late
last week and then into this morning. But I would say, some of these software
names. Now, what we've seen recently is
a, rotation out of the hardware in semis. That's where I typically focus,
and that's where I'm still bullish into some of these software names. And no matter what these companies say
in all their interviews, I'm not sure which software companies are just not disintermediation by AI. And so in the meantime,
as we have this rotation from hardware and semi center software,
you bid up the software names. I don't know if
that's the right thing to do. Is there a software name that you think is safe
though? You know, Microsoft is interesting to me. Why not? Because I care that much about office 365
but you know, Microsoft Azure, their cloud business benefits
nicely from the AI boom. And they just showed a great quarter
some acceleration. And so if you have a software business
like Microsoft but you also have the benefit of the
AI infrastructure building kicker that I've been talking about
I like that edge. So as we bring it back to the question I posed at the intro,
what's next for the AI trade? You would say more gains in store? Yeah, I think so. We'll get, AMD's up front. That won't be much of a surprise there, because AMD just had their eye
investor day a week or so ago. So this is sort of a fait accompli,
but I think you'll see as we get through earnings season
that this major correction. And when I say major correction,
some of these AI infrastructure builders went down 30, 40%. Once people feel better as I do that, I infrastructure CapEx will continue not just into 2027 but into 2028. I think the next move would be
these stocks to continue their rallies. Is there a data point or an earnings miss that would tell you
that the AI thesis is actually weakening? You know what, I'd be looking forward. I think we're in the clear
because most of the heavy spenders on AI infrastructure, the hyperscalers
have reported at this point. But when you have companies
lowering their guidance for capital expenditures,
that would be a problem. Because
even if they lowered from 60% growth to still really vibrant
growth, 3,040% people will see through and what we call
the second derivative argument. And then they'll start to say,
oh my goodness, we got to get out before that. Growth doesn't go from growth,
but it goes to shrinkage. And so I think that would be
what I'm looking for, what these major hyperscalers
start to rein in their CapEx. But I don't see that
until we potentially get out to 2020. And I believe they're not okay. All right. So it could be a few more years
of of bullish activity. But let's make it practical to wrap it up. If I'm a retail investor
with a portfolio full of Meg seven stocks, or maybe even just an S&P 500 index fund,
what should I be doing today? So today I would continue to, buy within the mag seven. Some of the leaders
that have come down in price, I have highlighted, Google and Amazon. And please, as a retail investor,
don't be short term oriented, but be long term oriented. And meta will indeed monetize. I at some point. No company has ever monetize stuff
like they do. I would buy meta and be
a contrarian investor and take advantage. Then even though they're smaller
caps are not within the mag seven. Look for continued rallies in
some of these AI infrastructure builders. And again there I've highlighted core. We've Flextronics applied digital. Okay. I think this is a great time
to pivot to a rapid fire game of this year that it's your first time playing. So it's quick questions, quick answers,
no hedging. Are you ready Paul. Yes. Here we go. Tech bottom in. We're still coming. In. Bigger mistake buying tech too early or waiting too long to get back in. Waiting too long to get back in. At this point. Hyperscalers or chipmakers? Chipmakers. Semiconductors or software? Definitely semiconductors. Nvidia or AMD. Nvidia one video money five by 11. Nvidia or TSMC. Nvidia. Palantir or Cloudflare ahead of earnings. Palantir SpaceX after earnings higher or lower? Higher. Not that I like it, but I think, Musk will give a little boost
to the shares. So SpaceX here via avoid. Avoid. Micron or Western digital. Micron. Nebula score. We've got a we've. Apple more than 10% off the highs opportunity or trap. Trap Apple or Netflix. Netflix. OpenAI Ise IPO overhyped or under hyped. Overhyped and delayed into 2027. Yeah. Same with anthropic. Anthropic. Well, probably go public in the fall. I'm much a bigger fan of anthropic
than OpenAI. Name a stock that's still a great company, but no longer a good investment. Service. Now, you know, I'm worried about, software and enterprise
resource planning software. I think service has always been the best. But, Caroline, as I told you before,
I wouldn't chase them because I don't know how much they will
really be intimidated by AI in the end. What's a tech stock you think will
surprise investors over the next year? I would go with, Flux Trading now at, 114. I think it goes to one 4150. Easy. Particularly in the fall. They will have a meeting to talk
about the skin of their eye infrastructure business, which will be super exciting
into a separate public company. That'll happen. Caroline,
in the first quarter of calendar 27. Your highest conviction name for the rest of 2026. Probably core. We've. And described this market in one word. Wrong heart attack. Hahahahaha. Part two Managing Director. We will ignore the space there for me. Maybe I assume. Director, Head of Technology Research,
Freedom Capital Markets. We'll put that hyphen in there.
Thanks so much. Really appreciate you playing along and
thank you so much for all of your picks. Best wishes Caroline. If you enjoyed this free talk, check out
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